Meet our new product: the ioSafe BDR 515
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Thanks. Looks like an interesting product. Basically a packaged StorageCraft backup system combined with a fireproof NAS all in one.
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@scottalanmiller Basically, yup!
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An i5 in server hardware? Would it really have added that much cost to go with a lower end Xeon and ECC memory?
Very impressive environmental specifications. 1550 Fahrenheit for 30 minutes, 10' of water for 3 days, and still working after you get the box out and power it back up.
Really, really, really not fond of monthly contracts for what should be a storage box. I'm assuming this is just one of your 1515+ NAS with backup software included? If so, then great, I can choose (unlike some other companies.)
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@travisdh1 said:
An i5 in server hardware? Would it really have added that much cost to go with a lower end Xeon and ECC memory?
Actually, probably. And would more CPU horsepower be beneficial here? Probably not as the bottleneck is likely the disks. It can only hold so many and it is writes that matter (both for CPU load and for performance) so even at RAID 10, cut the drive performance of the pool in half. The i5 is probably rather drastic overkill as it is.
An i5 is pretty high end for a NAS device.
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@travisdh1 said:
Very impressive environmental specifications. 1550 Fahrenheit for 30 minutes, 10' of water for 3 days, and still working after you get the box out and power it back up.
We've opened up one of their small NAS (not BDR) devices. Same basic chassis, just different software. It's super heavy duty.
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@travisdh1 The BDR 515 is intended to be a SMB appliance and has been specified accordingly, taking into account recommendations from our software partner. The i5 was the right combination of pricing and performance for the typical SMB customer. That said, if you'd like something bigger and better, let us know - we're always open to ideas! The 515 is actually quite different to the 1515+: the former runs Synology DSM, the latter runs Windows Server and is designed to be powerful enough for SME’s to virtualize the primary server on-prem if required. The contract includes a variety of things: StorageCraft licensing, support, replication to ioSafe cloud, etc. You can, of course, opt out of these and run it simply as a server box and replicate however you choose.
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@scottalanmiller To be clear, the 515 is not a NAS (it runs Windows Service, our NAS run DSM).
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@Brett-at-ioSafe said:
@scottalanmiller To be clear, the 515 is not a NAS (it runs Windows Service, our NAS run DSM).
Still a NAS, just a Windows-based one
Lots of NAS are Windows based. Dell, HP, Buffalo and WD all have long made Windows-based NAS.I assume it has a web interface? Or is it exposing the entire Windows installation as a standard server?
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@Brett-at-ioSafe Great, I like options!
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This looks like a neat product!
I'm curious how it's cooling system works - how do you keep it running day to day and yet prevent it from going nuclear when exposed to fire?
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@MattSpeller said:
I'm curious how it's cooling system works - how do you keep it running day to day and yet prevent it from going nuclear when exposed to fire?
It does not RUN while in a fire, the Ethernet and power cords will melt off. It is the drives and data that are safe. After the fire is out and it has been hosed down from the fire department, you wait till it is cool enough to touch, then you remove the drives and recover the data
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@scottalanmiller lol
Allow me to rephrase:
How do you keep the guts of it cool without allowing any way for heat to ingress while it's in a fire? Is there a door that slams shut when it detects heat? I don't think you could use anything like a heat exchanger (heat pipes, external cooling) because it'd allow heat from the fire to get in and cook the innards.
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The one that we have is still fan based, but it has internal redirection so it can't such fire directly in. The drives don't have to be kept cool like the mobo. The mobo can melt, that's not a big deal. It's the drives you have to protect. And I think part of the strategy is once it hits fire, the fan is molten and no longer sucking outside air.
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Ohhhh I just had a thought...
Do you keep the electronics on the outside and put the drives into the fire protected bit?
That'd make it way easier - let the electronics cook and save the drives. Drives don't produce much heat and wouldn't require a lot of cooling.
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Yup, that's how it works
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@scottalanmiller wicked - as usual I over complicated it heheh
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller lol
Allow me to rephrase:
How do you keep the guts of it cool without allowing any way for heat to ingress while it's in a fire? Is there a door that slams shut when it detects heat? I don't think you could use anything like a heat exchanger (heat pipes, external cooling) because it'd allow heat from the fire to get in and cook the innards.
This is assuming it works the same way all of their other products do. They have some sort of liquid embedded in some insulating material inside the case. When in a fire, the liquid material evaporates. This creates positive pressure inside the case keeping the flames out, and provides a cool (comparatively) substance flowing over the internal components.
I'm forgetting how they take care of the water immersion.
Edit: yes, they only protect the storage, not the electronics.
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@scottalanmiller The BDR 515 is an entire Windows installation as a standard server. The BMC feature has full console redirection and can be used as a method to replicate full keyboard/mouse/monitor functions on the network. Remote desktop can also be enabled as a service if you desire but it is not enabled by default. On the ioSafe Cloud: the partner manages the ioSafe Cloud target system via VPN/dedicated IP address into the remote system via remote desktop or even though the BMC – all traffic is pulled through an encrypted VPN tunnel.
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@travisdh1 Yup, that's basically how it works. The insulating material is water-based and converts to steam during a fire, resulting in an endothermic cooling action. Additionally, the steam is forced out of the events which prevents heat from entering the unit. As for waterproofing, the drives are simply in a sealed box that relies on finned walls to conduct heat away during normal operation.
