Home Lab Hypervisor
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@scottalanmiller said:
My home labs always costed way more than that in power.
One whitebox server with a really lightweight processor and RAM. The spinning rust is what chews up all the power.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
My home labs always costed way more than that in power.
Well, you lived in expensive areas and probably had 10x more servers/.
Power is fairly expensive around here. I think a bit above the national average.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
@Jason said:
These days with has cheap as cloud hosts are I don't think it's worth the costs of a home setup.
I don't know my home lab probably costs me 30-40$ a year in power. I run ~15 VMs at a given time (fewer now). Plus I have the flexibility to assign as many resources as I want to those VMs without having to pay more money.
Power is what I was referring to. Some cloud ones only charge you when powered on
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
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It was suggested that it is worthwhile to grab a server with the H700 raid controller over the PERC6i. Would this build be a better value then?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-R710-2x-E5620-2-4GHz-Quad-72GB-H700-DVD-iDRAC6-2x-power-8x-trays-/221920398089?hash=item33ab7c8b09
And if so what drives would you suggest buying since this comes without storage. -
H700 is a nice upgrade option.
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@scottalanmiller said:
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
After we discussed that the other day, I found out the Azure does not bill in the stopped (de-allocated) status.
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Thoughts on using 4 of these drives and saving a little cash? I don't need uber performance by any means, do you think these would be adequate?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236342
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
After we discussed that the other day, I found out the Azure does not bill in the stopped (de-allocated) status
Yep azure does lots of cool things. We even have a direct gigabit uplink to Azure.
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@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
After we discussed that the other day, I found out the Azure does not bill in the stopped (de-allocated) status
Yep azure does lots of cool things. We even have a direct gigabit uplink to Azure.
@scottalanmiller miller and I were discussing "pay as you go" the other day. I wonder if other cloud providers work the same way.
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@RamblingBiped said:
Thoughts on using 4 of these drives and saving a little cash? I don't need uber performance by any means, do you think these would be adequate?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236342
No Idea. WD redid their lines recently. I'd really just pickup a lot of used drives for a lab. You can find 10x 1TB deals on eBay sometimes for $200
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@Jason Good call, I don't know why that didn't initially occur to me... They have the 1TB drives for $34~, that seems reasonable enough for what I'm doing; and they seem to be readily available from numerous sources.
Thanks!
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
After we discussed that the other day, I found out the Azure does not bill in the stopped (de-allocated) status.
It DEFINITELY bills when stopped. It does NOT bill when deleted. Deleted is obviously stopped, saying stopped implies that it still exists.
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@RamblingBiped said:
Thoughts on using 4 of these drives and saving a little cash? I don't need uber performance by any means, do you think these would be adequate?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236342
Very slow but not so bad in RAID 10.
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@Jason said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No major cloud does that. I'm not aware of any that do that, actually. They all (AFAIK) charge as long as the VM exists, powered on or not.
After we discussed that the other day, I found out the Azure does not bill in the stopped (de-allocated) status
Yep azure does lots of cool things. We even have a direct gigabit uplink to Azure.
But it bills exactly the same as AWS. If you stop your VM, you continue to pay. It tells you this in a big warning when you power down a VM. It explains that when you go to power it down so that you don't think you will be saving money.
All of the big clouds work the same. Because you still have the resources allocated until you destroy the instance.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller miller and I were discussing "pay as you go" the other day. I wonder if other cloud providers work the same way.
They all work the same. All major clouds have identical billing models. Someone, somewhere does something differently but none of the real players. Amazon, Google, Microsoft Azure, Digital Ocean, Vultr, Joyent, Rail Yard, Heroku, Rackspace, IBM Softlayer, Verizon, etc. all the same. Different prices, different features but the same model for billing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
It DEFINITELY bills when stopped. It does NOT bill when deleted. Deleted is obviously stopped, saying stopped implies that it still exists.
Is "Stopped Deallocated" deleted?
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It DEFINITELY bills when stopped. It does NOT bill when deleted. Deleted is obviously stopped, saying stopped implies that it still exists.
Is "Stopped Deallocated" deleted?
I have no idea. Is that a term that someone uses?
Simple question is... can it be turned back on? If so, then no. The ability to turn back on means you didn't stop paying.
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It has been the state of the machine is in Stopped (Deallocated) means that you have made a shutdown by Web Management Interface Azure ( SHUTDOWN BUTTON ). In this way the cost of virtual machine will not be charged, but the public and internal IP will be deleted.
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@BRRABill said:
It has been the state of the machine is in Stopped (Deallocated) means that you have made a shutdown by Web Management Interface Azure ( SHUTDOWN BUTTON ). In this way the cost of virtual machine will not be charged, but the public and internal IP will be deleted.
If that is the wording from Azure then it is new. The last time I powered down an instance on there, which was not all that long ago, they stated very clearly that you would be charged in that instance.
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This implies that you now get free storage? So you could put a 1TB file server up there, power it down and it is free for forever?
