Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@JayRMS said:
Netflix is anticipated to get the streaming rights for the first 6 movies here in the next month. I've already been getting the wife mentally prepared. I've started buying her SW shirts and slipping Han quotes into normal conversation.
I still refuse to acknowledge more than three movies or any edits made after 1985's LD master copy.
Pretty much this. The original trilogy is the best, but Disney has a good opportunity to make something really good without Lucas' influence.
I'm torn between Disney actually caring and doing a good job when Lucas literally hated Star Wars and everything about it, and the new movies not being canon and leaving the Star Wars universe.
Honestly, Lucas made me dislike Star Wars and even though I truly loved the first three movies, his own loathing of the universe and his fans made me very disenchanted. I was so excited when the second trilogy was made and clearly it was the work of people who hated everything that I had thought that Star Wars was. Now that I know the originals were only good as an accident and not because they were designed to be, they mean so much less to me.
It really ruined SW to me completely. Now... I won't even watch the new ones.
I can't disagree with anything here. I really liked the Star Wars EU it was so much better then both the original trilogy and the new trilogy. I wish Disney had looked at that (the Thrawn series comes to mind) and used that as a basis for the new Star Wars movies.
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It took me years to bring myself to play KOTOR. Now I know it is the best part of the ecosystem
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@scottalanmiller said:
It took me years to bring myself to play KOTOR. Now I know it is the best part of the ecosystem
Yep, the Expanded Universe took advantage of all those people who loved the original trilogy and told them to run rampant. I liked pretty much all the books until they got to the New Jedi Order stuff. One of my all time favorite books is "I, Jedi".
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@scottalanmiller said:
The only thing that makes me wonder about skipping the movies entirely (I'm truly thinking about never watching them, ever) is that Disney has done such awesome things with the LucasArts video game library since taking over. Disney seems to actually care about what they are doing with the IP.
But as the new movies are just expensive fan fiction, it seems insanely cheesy and geeky to me.
Disney has show (arguably with the Marvel CU) that they care more about the IP then the original owners do/did.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The only thing that makes me wonder about skipping the movies entirely (I'm truly thinking about never watching them, ever) is that Disney has done such awesome things with the LucasArts video game library since taking over. Disney seems to actually care about what they are doing with the IP.
But as the new movies are just expensive fan fiction, it seems insanely cheesy and geeky to me.
Disney has show (arguably with the Marvel CU) that they care more about the IP then the original owners do/did.
Yes, their track record is good.
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I'm in no way opposed to Disney making the new movies. That they decided to leave the canon behind and do a different final trilogy that the real one makes my OCD go crazy. It's not the real story so.... it's like anti-Star Wars.
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I think I might be more excited about Rogue One because in my head I think it's a bit easier not to screw up.
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@JayRMS said:
I think I might be more excited about Rogue One because in my head I think it's a bit easier not to screw up.
Yep, I'm really excited about Rouge One. I'm also hoping they do some more grown-up themed series with Netflix similar to what the Marvel brand is doing with Jessica Jones.
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One of the good / bad things about Star Wars is that as a universe, it was all generated to tell one story. It's like a linear versus open world video game. Star Wars is linear, the universe is not well fleshed out and makes little sense if you deviate from the main path. Star Trek is open world, it has a framework for going off in different directions but has less ability to tell a single, coherent story.
This allowed the original trilogy to tell an epic story that really can't be touched. It was so perfect. But it also meant that Star Wars lacks the ability to tell additional stories well.
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I think I read an article with the top potential series including Han origin, Wedge, Imperial Academy, etc.
Yes I would absolutely be on board for 12 part netflix series. Curious how long it would take for me to feel over saturated... I think Marvel is almost to that point with so much going on, but I anticipate Civil War will change that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JayRMS said:
Netflix is anticipated to get the streaming rights for the first 6 movies here in the next month. I've already been getting the wife mentally prepared. I've started buying her SW shirts and slipping Han quotes into normal conversation.
I still refuse to acknowledge more than three movies or any edits made after 1985's LD master copy.
Any move that has a character of a Viceroy is never good...LOL.
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@coliver said:
I can't disagree with anything here. I really liked the Star Wars EU it was so much better then both the original trilogy and the new trilogy. I wish Disney had looked at that (the Thrawn series comes to mind) and used that as a basis for the new Star Wars movies.
While I do agree that I wish they had not thrown out the entire EU, the Thrawn series was only a few years after RotJ though. This causes a lot of problems with actor ages.
The Timothy Zahn trilogy (Thrawn) was officially the episodes 7/8/9 that would never be made into a movie from what I recall in the news back then. I have them in hardback.
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@JaredBusch said:
The Timothy Zahn trilogy (Thrawn) was officially the episodes 7/8/9 that would never be made into a movie from what I recall in the news back then. I have them in hardback.
Yup, I have them in soft cover. Read them all at the time. They announced that the third trilogy would never be made but knew that people wanted to know the end of the story so Lucas allowed Zahn to novelize them. So the Zahn trilogy is the canonical ending of the Star Wars story.
What I had been hoping was that they would make movies of the Zahn trilogy.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What I had been hoping was that they would make movies of the Zahn trilogy.
You and me both. I am disappointed of course at the Disney decision not to.
But I am also optimistic that they will do something good with the IP as others have said in this thread. Not what I have long wanted, but at least something not horrible.
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@JaredBusch said:
@coliver said:
I can't disagree with anything here. I really liked the Star Wars EU it was so much better then both the original trilogy and the new trilogy. I wish Disney had looked at that (the Thrawn series comes to mind) and used that as a basis for the new Star Wars movies.
While I do agree that I wish they had not thrown out the entire EU, the Thrawn series was only a few years after RotJ though. This causes a lot of problems with actor ages.
The Timothy Zahn trilogy (Thrawn) was officially the episodes 7/8/9 that would never be made into a movie from what I recall in the news back then. I have them in hardback.
I have those books in soft cover. Never realized they were the official last trilogy. So many good things came out of those books.
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@coliver said:
I have those books in soft cover. Never realized they were the official last trilogy. So many good things came out of those books.
Yup, it was a huge deal at the time that the last trilogy was going to print and the first one might become movies, which it did. They committed to wrapping up the story in one way or another. That's why those are the only SW books that I ever read, because they weren't "extra" stories but were the rest of the story that we had already started.
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Ah, the Zahn Trilogy. Have not read those in years. When did they release? Seems like... 1990?
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@scottalanmiller said:
I'm in no way opposed to Disney making the new movies. That they decided to leave the canon behind and do a different final trilogy that the real one makes my OCD go crazy. It's not the real story so.... it's like anti-Star Wars.
I understand why they did it though. Making movies inside the universe that already existed in the books offered little if anything new to add. Sure they could have some new side line whatever, but making sure it didn't break anything that already existed would be near impossible. Heck just look at the books, there are whole books that were already completely ignored when the second trilogy came out - Luke's mom was a part of white light group (I've forgotten the details).
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@Dashrender said:
I understand why they did it though. Making movies inside the universe that already existed in the books offered little if anything new to add.
That's like saying you understand that Peter Jackson had to work hard to ruin the Hobbit story. Why modify the existing story? If Star Wars isn't a universe that people like, move on. Why make competing universes within the SW universe?
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You have a point - I felt that they should have gone into the future, the distant future and make a whole new story.
