Full Linux Tablet Coming
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@DustinB3403 said:
Lets use your job as an example (and sorry if there are any missing points)
You have a tablet with an external keyboard. You travel to a clients site, but lost the keyboard. Now you are stuck using the on-screen keyboard for all input into the device.
Wouldn't a built in projection keyboard fill an immediate need?
Not as well as just typing on the screen. But why would I have a tablet with a keyboard? I wouldn't do that. I'd have a laptop because of the reasons I already stated. You are starting from the assumption that I am not using a good device for the purpose and now trying to come up with a DR solution for when bad decisions get worse? This seems, odd. Not entirely without merit, but I don't see any value. Maybe some extreme edge case, but it would make the device heavier, more costly and more complicated for everyone in exchange for the theory that it would get better for someone, maybe.
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My point is that, a peripheral device certainly fills a large gap with regards to the need, but are often lost, forgotten, or misplaced. Building a better solution to the primary device, although difficult to do or justify doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
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@DustinB3403 said:
My point is that, a peripheral device certainly fills a large gap with regards to the need, but are often lost, forgotten, or misplaced. Building a better solution to the primary device, although difficult to do or justify doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
So you fundamentally feel that desktops are a bad thing as they are the antithesis of this?
And I'm confused how you came to that discussion from talking about the OS, there was no transition, you just started talking about it in the middle of the OS discussion. No one else is discussing hardware that I saw. I'm not sure of the relevance. But fundamentally, I don't agree at all. The idea that everything needs to be integrated is the same as the idea that you need one device to rule them all. It's the opposite of what I want and the opposite of what power users gravitate to.
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Nothing wrong with the attempt. But thinking that the word "should" gets applies is where, I think, it all falls apart.
Bottom line you just feel that a projection keyboard is something you want. That's fine. Neat idea. I'd see that as a negative on a device, myself.
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One of the reasons that I love desktops so much... I can build just the right hardware for my use case, install the OS of my choice, pick the keyboard, mouse, gamepad, camera and other peripherals that are just right for my use case, etc. Everything is "best of breed" for how I will be using it. The more that you pack into a single device, the more generic and middle of the road it must become.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nothing wrong with the attempt. But thinking that the word "should" gets applies is where, I think, it all falls apart.
Bottom line you just feel that a projection keyboard is something you want. That's fine. Neat idea. I'd see that as a negative on a device, myself.
It's not that I want it, its just a solution to building an "All in one" device, that is capable of filling all of the roles that each individual set of devices does.
Desktops for content creation (generally speaking), tablets for lighter content creation and consumption, and pure content consumption devices.
But just to put it out there our mobile devices are already creating content (health statics etc) as we walk around with them.
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I'm drooling....
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why would you have nothing? you have your creation-focused machine.
Like when I am on the couch or on an airplane and don't have my content creation machine(s). It fills a gap for the times when I would otherwise not have a device with me.
So your content creation machine is non mobile, i.e. a desktop?
I guess I have two, a laptop and a desktop.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender the point is that the tools to use the device (and to be considered a full OS, as this subject has digressed to) need to be built in.
A peripheral device although standard on a desktop device (keyboard & mouse, speakers, webcam or whatever) all need to come into the main system, and be built into it.
One shouldn't be required to carry a keyboard and mouse around to be productive on a tablet. The tablet, being a mild content creation / consumption device should have the full functionality to complete it's implied design purpose.
Allowing people to easily create content on it, while if they choose also consume content.
Are you implying that tablets today don't have these things already? They have an onscreen keyboard, you use your finger as a mouse, I don't know of any without speakers, and most have a camera. Heck, the majority even have a microphone so you could do voice to text. So how does the hardware prevent these devices from hosting a Full OS in your definition?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why would you have nothing? you have your creation-focused machine.
Like when I am on the couch or on an airplane and don't have my content creation machine(s). It fills a gap for the times when I would otherwise not have a device with me.
So your content creation machine is non mobile, i.e. a desktop?
I guess I have two, a laptop and a desktop.
I have both. But the desktop is the first class citizen.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Desktops for content creation (generally speaking), tablets for lighter content creation and consumption, and pure content consumption devices.
I think of my tablet as pure consumption. What are you picturing as the lesser creation device in this case?
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@scottalanmiller said:
I think this is the perfect example of why I like dedicated devices and not half-assed attempts at integration. There is no universal rule saying that one device should meet all needs. That's an assumption without basis. Nothing wrong with trying to do that, but you have to assume that there is no reason to believe that it is sensible.
There is a reason why laptops don't replace desktops, why tablets don't replace laptops, why phones don't replace tablets and why watches don't replace phones and why implants don't replace watches. Each thing has a niche, a use case where it makes sense. Contractors don't build houses with just a hammer nor do they feel like they should. Different tools for different work.
Here's the crux of this discussion - I do want one device to rule them all, but am coming to the sad realization that it's not practical now, nor may it ever be.
You're right that I can't replace my phone with a tablet, because that would mean carrying around this larger than my pocket device and finding some way of connecting to it to make phone calls, and a tablet can't replace the laptop (yet) because it doesn't have the cheap storage or processing power I might need for XYZ job/app.
Clearly we're stuck with at least the following:
Content creation device laptop/desktop just depends on our needs,
phone/phone like device
tablet (for me for reading or minor game playing - for you, surfing the web and maybe major game playing?)We're stuck with a 3 device minimum life. I suppose we could ditch the tablet and go with a laptop and phone only, so maybe we're stuck with a 2 device life. Which is where I find myself today.
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I think that each person is stuck with a different array of devices based on their needs. My dad only needs a tablet, not a phone or computer, for example. My SIL only needs a Chromebook as do my nieces. My kids only need iPads for the moment. I need desktop, laptop and phone for sure and a tablet is sometimes handy. My wife needs a laptop and tablet and phone.
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Could a convertible laptop/tablet like the yoga not fill the need of both your laptop and the tablet?
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@Dashrender said:
Could a convertible laptop/tablet like the yoga not fill the need of both your laptop and the tablet?
For some, I'm sure that it could. For me, it really doesn't do either very well. It's a good, but not a great, laptop and it's a mediocre, but not a good, tablet.
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For me personally, the iPad Mini is the best tablet I've used. Simple, small but still powerful. Light and not in the way. Very far from what any convertible is like right now.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Could a convertible laptop/tablet like the yoga not fill the need of both your laptop and the tablet?
For some, I'm sure that it could. For me, it really doesn't do either very well. It's a good, but not a great, laptop and it's a mediocre, but not a good, tablet.
serious question, how does it fail at being a good laptop? I don't need to ask how if fails at being a tablet (short battery life, heavy, possibly to large, lack of Windows Metro/universal apps).
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@scottalanmiller said:
For me personally, the iPad Mini is the best tablet I've used. Simple, small but still powerful. Light and not in the way. Very far from what any convertible is like right now.
what do you do on it?
I'm not a gamer - though i bought Minecraft mobile and play that time to time on my phone. I suppose the iPad mini might make an OK e-reader. But if I'm really surfing the web, the display is to small to be useful, and if I'm just messin' around, well I wouldn't be so that's out.
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I ask these last type of questions because I'm trying to understand what I'm missing? Why does everyone else LOVE their tabs so much, they I look at them and yawn.
I've owned three and really, every one of them was really just a waste of money.
Talking about computer use on the couch - it's either my phone or my Ultrabook (Yoga).
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@Dashrender Identical to my experience with them. Gave back the iPad I got from work, useless piece of kit. More room for batteries for useful devices.
