@Dashrender said
but I would NEVER open a port on the firewall to let the vendor remote into said software (OK - almost never).
But you would trust said vendor who doesn't have a printer smart enough to do this that their software going on your server is up to snuff?
@DustinB3403 said in Printer Leasing/Maintenance - Installing Software on the Network for Monitoring Print Devices:
Lots of places have purchase requisition forms, small businesses in particular likely are doing everything they can to ensure that money isn't being wasted.
Like where @wrx7m said he works.
@wrx7m said in Printer Leasing/Maintenance - Installing Software on the Network for Monitoring Print Devices:
I work at a family-owned business.
Yeah it makes no sense. The people in charge will spend 10 hours a week to ensure pens that are too expensive aren't bought
@DustinB3403 said
Then post the script, no shame in asking for help.
No but you might get badgered into oblivion.
@scottalanmiller are you purposely avoiding the "major cloud provider didn't have its own backups" discussion?
@Dashrender said in AWS Catastrophic Data Loss:
What I'm saying is that that is USELESS to end users/corporate customers...
I've been arguing that for years.
because the chances that MS's DC is going to blow up is extremely small
And yet, it is what this thread is about ... exactly that happening.
@Dashrender said in AWS Catastrophic Data Loss:
@BRRABill said in AWS Catastrophic Data Loss:
@Dashrender said in AWS Catastrophic Data Loss:
as I understand it - MS has backups, but they are only used by MS when they have a major issue and they need to restore that - like a lost DC or something.
Yes, I believe this kind of issue is the exact thing he would say O365 backups would "cover". Of course if your user deleted something or you got hacked, no backups there for that kind of thing.
Be interesting to hear his take (@scottalanmiller) at some point. Because it is ultimately what I always argued about. I don't care WHO it is ... I don't trust them. Especially if the data is critical/important.
It's not MS deleting/loosing data that most people are worried about - because that happens SO rarely.. .it's cryptoware, users, etc deleting data that is a much bigger threat.
So frankly how a cloud backup solution isn't just part of the deal is something I don't understand - of course others (not Scott) in this thread are saying - OF COURSE it is...
No they aren't.
They are saying that if the service (aka O365 or AWS) has an issue with THEIR system (which happens to hold your data) then THEIR system is backed up.
But it sounds like in this situation even that failed.
@Dashrender said in AWS Catastrophic Data Loss:
as I understand it - MS has backups, but they are only used by MS when they have a major issue and they need to restore that - like a lost DC or something.
Yes, I believe this kind of issue is the exact thing he would say O365 backups would "cover". Of course if your user deleted something or you got hacked, no backups there for that kind of thing.
Be interesting to hear his take (@scottalanmiller) at some point. Because it is ultimately what I always argued about. I don't care WHO it is ... I don't trust them. Especially if the data is critical/important.
Yes, I just talked to another friend who is a designer.
He said that basically the PMS color is "out of gamut" (the ! in the software) and the software does as good a job as it can to color match it.
That is why it is different, and it technically correct, or as correct as it can be.
The hex values are also apparently "web safe" colors. Not sure why they picked those, as I don't think it is applicable anymore, but what the heck.
Man ... learned a lot of graphics today!
@Pete-S said in Color Question:
Why do you need CMYK values? If you want to communicate to someone what the color should be, say PMS 287. If the print shop have questions get the graphics designer to answer them.
We are including them in a style guide.
Also, since they are all slightly off, I want to be sure the RGB colors we use (in things like websites and e-mail signatures) is as close to accurate as possible.
It comes down to what the designer is telling me, and also what i read some places online, that you can't really convert RGB to CMYK. You just use Adobe software and trust it knows what it is doing.
I am just trying to figure out if that is accurate or not. That there is no conversion. Or if it's just a line of BS.
@Pete-S said in Color Question:
You guys have a serious omission in your conversions. RGB values depend on the color space. While we often use sRGB color space for the web, that's not often the case when the file comes from somewhere else.
CMYK is used in printing because that's the color used in a 4-color offset printing press: Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black.
Logos or other things that need exact color reproduction are often printed in 5 or more colors where the logo has it's own premixed color, not made up by CMYK colors. These exact premixed colors are Pantone colors and there are sets of pantone color swatches so everyone can see what every color looks like. Every company that has a logo from a graphic designer have the pantone numbers for their logo. That is the original colors so to speak.
There is not an exact conversion between RGB and CMYK unless you make a lot of assumptions and this varies between software and settings. Just as an example assume that you make a print using CMYK colors and one paper have a slightly yellowish tone while the other is ultra white. Will the logo look the same on both of these prints made with exactly the same CMYK colors? No, it wont.
When dealing with print shops it's often best to send the original file to them and let them handle the RGB to CMYK conversion. A TIFF file with embedded color profile is the standard here.
And if you are printing something that needs to be an exact color, like a logo, you should give them the Pantone number for that color. If you don't have it, it's probably not that important.
Thanks for this explanation. This is along the lines I am looking for.
I understand that CMYK will look different of different colors of paper. It can even look vastly different on the SAME color of paper.
Is it even worthwhile having that CMYK value?
Those colors are based off a Pantone color. Here is the actual breakdown. Keep in mind, I do not think 287 is a color ... don't they usually have U or C after them? And even though the other 3 colors are U, I do think this 287 is a C.
If I use the CMYK to RGB converter, I do NOT get those values.
So, what am I doing wrong again?
@DustinB3403 said in Color Question:
So you want to go from CMYK to RGB?
No, I want to go from RGB to CMYK.
Yes. You keep giving me a hex value for a CMYK value.
I want to create a CMYK value from a RGB value.
So, if I got to this page, and enter in the RGB value, are you saying the CMYK value it gives me is not correct?
But I don't want to go that way.
I am saying if I ONLY know the RGB color, and then want to get, say, a tshirt printed with that color, and the printer needs the CMYK value how do I find it out?
@DustinB3403 said in Color Question:
@BRRABill said in Color Question:
OK, so let's say I have the RGB value of (0,56,147) ... I want to convert that to a CMYK value to give to someone. How do I do that, and what would it be?
You're trying to convert a color for digital only to physical print so it won't be exact.
I know it won't be exactly eact, but it should be close.
So, what would that value be?
OK, so let's say I have the RGB value of (0,56,147) ... I want to convert that to a CMYK value to give to someone. How do I do that, and what would it be?
Yeah but the hex value that is listed is for web.
Do you think the CMYK listed and the RGB and web-hex are all the same value?
AKA does the CMYK value = the RGB value?
If you look on this page, that hex (003893) and the RGB are right. But it lists a different CMYK. Where are you getting your value from?