Posts made by anthonyh

Yep, it's tzdata. Hmm. Now what....

@scottalanmiller Oooh I was thinking that. I will try that and report back!

Has anyone encountered an issue where the "date" command displays the correct timezone (with correct date/time), but yet the timezone appears incorrect in other areas? For example, the server in question runs Tomcat, and the Tomcat application is pulling the time as if the timezone was set to GMT.

I ran yum update last night which seems to be the issue. It upgraded the following packages:

If I do "yum history undo [latest history id here]" the problem goes away.

Any ideas?

Manning the fort at home due to a sick wife and sticking in work here and there as I can. I'm thankful for having a flexible job!

@DustinB3403 I still don't think every scenario is a lose scenario as you do. So, let's just agree to disagree. I've caused enough clutter in this thread.

@DustinB3403 said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:

@anthonyh said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:

If one is procuring additional Windows seats, then you have to purchase something....

I don't see how we've blown any money with how we've planned things.

Purchasing new hardware from any vendor today (besides with some custom deal) is going to include Windows Licensing by default. $200 off the bat for that (assuming no markup)

On top of that you have the old licensing (presumably non-OEM) that could be transferred. But now that the old licensing is stuck with Windows 7 (since you have no upgrade rights provided under the give away) you're out an extra $200 per system that you want to upgrade.

If a business initiative comes along and says "we have to run windows 10 by the end of the first quarter" would the business go out and do a complete hardware refresh or just purchase the upgrade keys? (likely the upgrade keys).

Because upgrading the OS is the cheaper choice, when compared to a complete hardware refresh + windows licensing. (assuming a meager $800/system)

So no matter how you look at it, the business has wasted money.

In that scenario, yes, the business wasted money. Not every scenario is a lose scenario.

@DustinB3403 said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:

@anthonyh said in Paying to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10:

@DustinB3403 Not exactly. I don't think you read the second part of what I said...

"We also plan on replacing our workstations within the next 3-4 years. Said workstations would come with Windows 10 (if that's what's still out there anyway)."

How are we wasting money?

3-4 years would be an upgrade window for hardware, but any expenditure now (past the free upgrade period) is wasted money.

I read the second part, but it sounds like an attempt to justify a bad decision.

Can you elaborate on the expenditure you speak of? I'm not following you.

If one is upgrading existing Windows 7 seats to Windows 10 seats, then yes purchasing Windows 10 licensing is not ideal.

If one is procuring additional Windows seats, then you have to purchase something....

I don't see how we've blown any money with how we've planned things.

@DustinB3403 Not exactly. I don't think you read the second part of what I said...

"We also plan on replacing our workstations within the next 3-4 years. Said workstations would come with Windows 10 (if that's what's still out there anyway)."

How are we wasting money?

@DustinB3403 You are operating under the assumption that we will be buying off-the-shelf licensing. I work for a government entity. I couldn't give you exact pricing on Win10 licensing, but it wouldn't be list price.

We also plan on replacing our workstations within the next 3-4 years. Said workstations would come with Windows 10 (if that's what's still out there anyway).

@DustinB3403 And if it were an easy environment, we'd already be there.

@DustinB3403 In my environment, it would cost more in manpower to upgrade to 10 then revert back than to just take the hit and buy licensing later down the road. We're talking 400+ workstations here, lol.

@Brains Is the delay a big deal? Windows 7 EOL is 1/14/2020 (Windows 8 is 1/10/2023). So in theory you have 3-4 years if currently runnin Win7 until one must upgrade. I'm not sure time is an issue.

@DustinB3403 We have an application that's going to cost us $80k to re-write.

@Brains We have one application that just won't die that we do this for. We finally put money in this year's budget (FY starts July 1 for us) to have the software re-written. I will be so happy when it's replaced!

@JaredBusch I like your placement of the stove. I had that same table and chairs set. No longer have the chairs, still have the table. I use the table in my office as extra workspace when needed.

@BRRABill Looks like a gas line to me.

@JaredBusch Looks amazing. I'm hoping to do something like this in my house some day once I have the funds. Though mine will likely be some form of laminate flooring...not real wood. lol

I'm joining this party a little late...

We elected to hold out and remain on Windows 7 because of the people in our environment. We are going through a lot of changes as an organization. We implemented a new case management system (basically the lifeblood of the organization), are working on bringing up a new building that a majority of our organization will be moving to soon. Also there have been a lot of department re-orgs. So, we decided as a department that introducing our users to Windows 10 in the middle of everything that is going on would cause a revolt. We will do it after we're settled into the new building, even though it becomes a cost.

It wouldn't be much of an issue if we weren't an organization of roughly ~400 people...

Of course, us techs each have a Win10 box.

Hmm. Something I just discovered is that even running "telnet --help" gives me the exact same delay.