Home theater audio
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@Dashrender said in Home theater audio:
@Jason said in Home theater audio:
Manual shows 30Watts RMS into 4 ohms 10%THD.. Not much power..
also has a 20ms latency.The listing said 25 Watts, and the review I read didn't indicate how much the latency was, but that it was there. My receiver can actually solve that latency issue I'm pretty sure, and for rear speaker, do I really need more than 25 Watts?
Yes.
Long Answer: 25 watts isn't enough to drive any sort of decent speaker unless you like them whisper quiet. My setup at home uses a Dennon 7.1 100w/channel amp and a 5.1 Andrew Jones signature series speaker set (audio snobs consider it the lowest price acceptable set). The 100w/channel really doesn't get very loud. The only way I can annoy my neighbors is with the self-powered sub.
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If you are looking for something that cheap, this is probably a bit better quality:
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I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..
Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
Given time and money this is how I would do it for multiple reasons.
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Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
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@Jason said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
I wonder if you could use a cheap instrument wireless system and a small amp near the rear speakers?
You'd need a speaker level to Line (or Instrument if the wireless system doesn't adjust) level converter you'll be converting the speaker level into heat..
Those speaker level to line level devices are usually for car audio and you will be disappointed with your results. If your amp can do passive unamplified outputs you can get around it though but that's not likely.
I was assuming multi channel line level outs on the receiver, but good point.
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@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
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@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.
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@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
Nah, that's why we have latency adjustments on outputs you delay all the other wedges to match wireless
Same with using live effects like waves we delay the other inputs to match. It's very little latency on either for high end systems
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@Jason said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
Guess what? It's still horrible. If one band member want's a wireless in-ear monitor, they all have to have wireless monitors on the same broadcast system. Otherwise they get to hear what they're playing twice!
high end systems
Want
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@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
I can hear a small difference when playing classical over my 5.1 system. As a test I dialed in delay to the rear channels and it quickly became "not quite right". It's not an echo so much as it's just slightly out of phase and it's.... weird. Keep in mind that was a stereo recording, so the difference was very obvious.
Even 1 ms can cause a weird phasing / chorusing effect on any material, but classical would make it much more obvious.
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@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
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@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
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@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.
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@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@travisdh1 said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
@RojoLoco said in Home theater audio:
@MattSpeller said in Home theater audio:
Also don't forget that wireless speakers will induce latency. Some amps can adjust for this, have a look in your manual
My logic was that an instrument wireless would have less latency...
True, but still much more* than a wire (even a long wire)
*for values of much more measured in milliseconds
If you saw my living room, latency would become more appealing than running wires. Besides, it takes 28-30 ms to hear an audible echo.
You'd get away with it better when playing live music than replaying a recording I'd wager.
You had to go and get me started. Have you ever seen the sound setup for a major concert? They'd normally have 2 main mixing boards. One for the main sound output, and one just for the monitors for the band. Once time they blew one of the 4 10,000w amps and had to put the "old, little" 5,000w amp into service. That was one they had to bring a generator in for, the mains for the building we're enough. Also, yes, even the smaller venues/performance sound guys would put their own power panel on the building mains.
If you think it sounds odd, it's even harder trying to play when you can hear delays in the audio.
Yes, but a large concert rig has delay lines built in to compensate for the speaker distances. If the performers hear an audible delay, the FOH engineer isn't doing his job.
Don't get me started on that topic either. The quality of sound engineers are about as good as the "IT Pros" you find in that other place.
Preaching to the choir... my degree is in audio engineering. Have you tried playing in a dive bar with a coked up sound guy and only 1 monitor mix lately? Yep, it still sucks.
I took care of the mixing for a couple of different churches in my younger years. I could never understand why the concert mixes were always so terrible. If it's a dive bar, the sound guy is probably some employees kid who might know something about tech, but was mostly likely thrown at the problem by someone who just doesn't want to deal with it
