Chopping off their own feet....
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The issues are definitely not the community. I'm surprised at how many people are shocked by the moderation issues. They are bad, but it's just moderation and I never thought that it was very big but a lot of people are seriously miffed about it. There are or were so many much more massive issues that the moderation issues are, to me, just background noise. I forget that for a lot of people, those are the ones that matter.
The community has declined and changed, no question there. The approach and attitudes are not what they used to be. The goal of the community has been changed and that obviously is a big part. But the community has changed some too. It is still a great community, but not the same one that it used to be.
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There is something different at SW. As to the moderation stuff, I dropped being a mod primarily because I was tired of hearing so many people bitch about it. Like others, I just enjoy helping others. I do miss some of the powers though when I see a post in the wrong forum. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
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@DenisKelley said:
. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
Unless someone drags me kicking and screaming, I don't plan on going this year. The previous two years I went because the ticket was free, but I didn't get anything out of the content.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Don't forget that the MSPs provide the bulk of the content that makes them their money. MSPs have always "paid" by giving away valuable content.
MSPs equally could ask why they aren't being paid to participate. Until recently it was symbiotic. MSPs give content in exchange for a minuscule amount of advertising. MSPs give way more than they gain. It was not the MSPs getting the free ride. The benefit was almost all one sided then then tried to take even more.
I would guess that most MSPs are very geographical. I mean an MSP in Texas can advertise to me all he wants, I'm not got employ him when he's five thousand miles away. Whereas most vendors sell all over the world.
The geography is what I love most about SW. My boss asks me how I fixed the server last night, and I'll say "Oh, some guy in Montreal sorted it out for me. For free."
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@DenisKelley said:
There is something different at SW. As to the moderation stuff, I dropped being a mod primarily because I was tired of hearing so many people bitch about it. Like others, I just enjoy helping others. I do miss some of the powers though when I see a post in the wrong forum. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
I'm still trying to make it my first, I'm wanting to do some networking and see if there's anything I can take away from it as far as knowledge and vendor contacts.
What miffed me was inconsistency at times when it came to doing moderation stuff. I think I also spent more time moving topics than I did deleting topics/posts that were garbage.
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@alexntg said:
@DenisKelley said:
. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
Unless someone drags me kicking and screaming, I don't plan on going this year. The previous two years I went because the ticket was free, but I didn't get anything out of the content.
If you get another free ticket, I will take it
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it's on my agenda to go this year... assuming the boss gives me the time.
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@DenisKelley said:
There is something different at SW. As to the moderation stuff, I dropped being a mod primarily because I was tired of hearing so many people bitch about it. Like others, I just enjoy helping others. I do miss some of the powers though when I see a post in the wrong forum. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
They were supposed to be working on a non-mod category for me so I could do cleanup stuff only. But it never materialized.
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@alexntg said:
@DenisKelley said:
. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
Unless someone drags me kicking and screaming, I don't plan on going this year. The previous two years I went because the ticket was free, but I didn't get anything out of the content.
The networking is great. The content is awful.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Don't forget that the MSPs provide the bulk of the content that makes them their money. MSPs have always "paid" by giving away valuable content.
MSPs equally could ask why they aren't being paid to participate. Until recently it was symbiotic. MSPs give content in exchange for a minuscule amount of advertising. MSPs give way more than they gain. It was not the MSPs getting the free ride. The benefit was almost all one sided then then tried to take even more.
I would guess that most MSPs are very geographical. I mean an MSP in Texas can advertise to me all he wants, I'm not got employ him when he's five thousand miles away. Whereas most vendors sell all over the world.
The geography is what I love most about SW. My boss asks me how I fixed the server last night, and I'll say "Oh, some guy in Montreal sorted it out for me. For free."
Most. NTG is a rarity that we cover the US, UK and more.
SW system is set up only to work for locally focused MSPs though. And it does nothing for them either.
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@Bill-Kindle moving topics is like 90% of it.
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@Dashrender said:
it's on my agenda to go this year... assuming the boss gives me the time.
I'm there but only because it is free. I stopped going until I got a free pass then started again. The speakers don't even get in for free let alone paid.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@alexntg said:
@DenisKelley said:
. It is going to be interesting this coming Spiceworld. Might be my last, but we'll have to see.
Unless someone drags me kicking and screaming, I don't plan on going this year. The previous two years I went because the ticket was free, but I didn't get anything out of the content.
** The networking **is great. The content is awful.
That's my main driver for wanting to go this year. I want to meet some of the people I converse with. I've started going to local SC meetings here in Cincinnati and enjoy them. Last one I was actually thanked by another pro who I never met before prior because I had helped them solve a problem that had been tripping them up for a long time. I was humbled.
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Speaking of which, we need to figure out an ML meetup!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of which, we need to figure out an ML meetup!
Start a Google Hangout or a skype session.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of which, we need to figure out an ML meetup!
Start a Google Hangout or a skype session.
I'm game, I live in the Scott Alan Miller time zone.
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@RAM. i live in CST but an game for this
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@RAM. said:
@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of which, we need to figure out an ML meetup!
Start a Google Hangout or a skype session.
I'm game, I live in the Scott Alan Miller time zone.
Is that "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" standard time?
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@david.wiese said:
@RAM. i live in CST but an game for this
Lets do it.
Side note, I smell Broccoli... that is one of the worst smells known to man ugh.
