Pertino - Is Anyone Successfully Using Any Version Above 510 with DNS/AD Connect?
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@Dashrender said:
@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender To push out updates for AV clients and for ShoreTel, the use of "softphones" for external sales personnel.
What about moving to a LANless design?
For example, my AV is now cloud based (has been for 5+ years). The agent checks in with the cloud provider for updates and reporting of incidents - local LAN like thing not required.
As for your softphones - again, LANless design - secure, then publish your PBX directly online so softphones can work from anywhere. If your PBX can't be secured, I guess that would be a no go.
This is something I had been considering and I look every time my AV renewal comes around. I was considering Vipre right before GFI bought them out. Looks like a dodged a bullet. Currently using TrendMicro but maybe considering Cylance.
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@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender said:
@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender To push out updates for AV clients and for ShoreTel, the use of "softphones" for external sales personnel.
What about moving to a LANless design?
For example, my AV is now cloud based (has been for 5+ years). The agent checks in with the cloud provider for updates and reporting of incidents - local LAN like thing not required.
As for your softphones - again, LANless design - secure, then publish your PBX directly online so softphones can work from anywhere. If your PBX can't be secured, I guess that would be a no go.
This is something I had been considering and I look every time my AV renewal comes around. I was considering Vipre right before GFI bought them out. Looks like a dodged a bullet. Currently using TrendMicro but maybe considering Cylance.
So you're in that 250 endpoint or greater range, eh?
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
Out of curiosity, what's the downside to that? Why not deploy everywhere? Why struggle with other solutions just to avoid full deployment?
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Give Webroot a try. Really great team and product.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing life would have been fine if I would have deployed ZT it all 110 of my endpoints so that my one very temporarily mobile (home) user could connect. That situation gave me an excuse to give ZT a try, and for my situation it didn't work well at all because of DNS issues - my file server had two IPs in DNS, and my non ZT clients were constantly getting the ZT address from DNS and I couldn't stop the ZT NIC from registering with DNS.
Again, wholistically, ZT is probably fine.
What was the driver to not fully finish deploying ZT to see if it worked?
Because I only had one mobile user who needed a remote access solution for 30 days. After that I didn't need the solution any longer. and sure, while ZT shouldn't cause any problems with everyone on the same LAN, It seems like unnecessary overhead.
If mobile access was part of my users daily life - then I would change my tune in a second..
Okay for 30 days, that makes sense.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
Why don't you want to deploy ZT to every system? It's my understanding that that was how Pertino is supposed to work as well - but their hacks allow it to get around that, when they are working.
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@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender said:
@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender To push out updates for AV clients and for ShoreTel, the use of "softphones" for external sales personnel.
What about moving to a LANless design?
For example, my AV is now cloud based (has been for 5+ years). The agent checks in with the cloud provider for updates and reporting of incidents - local LAN like thing not required.
As for your softphones - again, LANless design - secure, then publish your PBX directly online so softphones can work from anywhere. If your PBX can't be secured, I guess that would be a no go.
This is something I had been considering and I look every time my AV renewal comes around. I was considering Vipre right before GFI bought them out. Looks like a dodged a bullet. Currently using TrendMicro but maybe considering Cylance.
Vipre has been solid for years. Used them from Sunbelt to GFI to ThreatTrack.
Only left them to get away from the local server. Moved to Webroot across the board.
Cylance is silly stupid on their device count requirements.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
Out of curiosity, what's the downside to that? Why not deploy everywhere? Why struggle with other solutions just to avoid full deployment?
Agreed - you presumably deploy Adobe Reader (at least in the day) and probably Adobe Flash as well - so if this gives you something helpful (access from anywhere) why not?
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@scottalanmiller I wouldn't necessarily struggle with deploying traditional solutions. I didn't think I would struggle with Pertino LOL. It is SOOOO easy everyone said. My main concern is that I can't deploy it on certain devices like printers or items I want to access that also don't have the ability to run the client.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing life would have been fine if I would have deployed ZT it all 110 of my endpoints so that my one very temporarily mobile (home) user could connect. That situation gave me an excuse to give ZT a try, and for my situation it didn't work well at all because of DNS issues - my file server had two IPs in DNS, and my non ZT clients were constantly getting the ZT address from DNS and I couldn't stop the ZT NIC from registering with DNS.
Again, wholistically, ZT is probably fine.
What was the driver to not fully finish deploying ZT to see if it worked?
Because I only had one mobile user who needed a remote access solution for 30 days. After that I didn't need the solution any longer. and sure, while ZT shouldn't cause any problems with everyone on the same LAN, It seems like unnecessary overhead.
If mobile access was part of my users daily life - then I would change my tune in a second..
For single users or temporary scenarios, to me, VPNs make more sense due to ease of setup & tear down.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
Out of curiosity, what's the downside to that? Why not deploy everywhere? Why struggle with other solutions just to avoid full deployment?
Agreed - you presumably deploy Adobe Reader (at least in the day) and probably Adobe Flash as well - so if this gives you something helpful (access from anywhere) why not?
Flash, Java.... lol
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I wouldn't necessarily struggle with deploying traditional solutions. I didn't think I would struggle with Pertino LOL. It is SOOOO easy everyone said. My main concern is that I can't deploy it on certain devices like printers or items I want to access that also don't have the ability to run the client.
ZT has a gateway option as well - I know Dafyre was working on it, not sure he ever got it working.
So assuming you can move those two things to a LANless solution (softphones, and AV management) do you really need printer access at the ZT level?
if someone asked me that I would first thing - ok the printer is remote, how do I manage it. I would remote into the user's machine and then manage the printer from their local network connection.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I wouldn't necessarily struggle with deploying traditional solutions. I didn't think I would struggle with Pertino LOL. It is SOOOO easy everyone said. My main concern is that I can't deploy it on certain devices like printers or items I want to access that also don't have the ability to run the client.
It is SOOO easy, when you deploy it as designed
Printers are an "issue" but outside of what we want to be location agnostic and if you need to get around that we have this new thing around the late 1980s called a printer server. So that's not a real issue today.
What other devices are causing problems?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I wouldn't necessarily struggle with deploying traditional solutions. I didn't think I would struggle with Pertino LOL. It is SOOOO easy everyone said. My main concern is that I can't deploy it on certain devices like printers or items I want to access that also don't have the ability to run the client.
It is SOOO easy, when you deploy it as designed
Printers are an "issue" but outside of what we want to be location agnostic and if you need to get around that we have this new thing around the late 1980s called a printer server. So that's not a real issue today.
What other devices are causing problems?
Right. Printers are like the easiest thing to get around.
Just set it up righton the Printer Server and uncheck the box that says spool directly to the printer.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
Out of curiosity, what's the downside to that? Why not deploy everywhere? Why struggle with other solutions just to avoid full deployment?
Agreed - you presumably deploy Adobe Reader (at least in the day) and probably Adobe Flash as well - so if this gives you something helpful (access from anywhere) why not?
Flash, Java.... lol
I am currently down to installing Office, Reader, Citrix Receiver and an addon for our EHR. Flash is handled by the browser, and we don't use Java on the endpoints anymore.
I'm currently testing to see if Edge's ability to read PDFs is good enough so we can drop Adobe Reader.
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@scottalanmiller LOL. Print server is an option, for sure. I want to be able to have access to NAS devices and other connected 'appliances' like UPSs, or switches etc.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller LOL. Print server is an option, for sure. I be able to have access to NAS devices and other connected 'appliances' like UPSs, or switches etc.
Surely you are on a desktop client or server on the same network as those boxes.
As for a NAS, why no file server?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I wouldn't necessarily struggle with deploying traditional solutions. I didn't think I would struggle with Pertino LOL. It is SOOOO easy everyone said. My main concern is that I can't deploy it on certain devices like printers or items I want to access that also don't have the ability to run the client.
It is SOOO easy, when you deploy it as designed
Printers are an "issue" but outside of what we want to be location agnostic and if you need to get around that we have this new thing around the late 1980s called a printer server. So that's not a real issue today.
What other devices are causing problems?
I was referring to Pertino in terms of how easy it is supposed to be so I am deploying it in the manner in which it is designed to be deployed. It just doesn't work.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller LOL. Print server is an option, for sure. I be able to have access to NAS devices and other connected 'appliances' like UPSs, or switches etc.
Do you really want UPS or switches over the ZT network? Those are things that belong on the physical layer. I don't see why you would want switches being extended in access to the home user, just as you don't want them on your main LAN but on a management LAN ideally. NAS, presumably, you are using something based on Linux and you can probably install ZeroTier there. What NAS do you have?
