Pertino - Is Anyone Successfully Using Any Version Above 510 with DNS/AD Connect?
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@Breffni-Potter Thanks, I use ZT for a homelab but don't think it is quite what I want for the company.
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@wrx7m said:
@Breffni-Potter Thanks, I use ZT for a homelab but don't think it is quite what I want for the company.
No problem, can you share your thoughts as to why?
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In my limited experience with it, I can't seem to figure out DNS with it. Also, I am not sure that the bridging works the way I need for it to act as a gateway.
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On the one hand, Pertino is something very expensive that you've paid for.
On the other, Zero Tier let's you do it for free, or at a much lower cost.
I think you might want to give it another evaluation. It is designed to work differently so some things won't be "click click" as in Pertino. But it also means they should work far more reliably.
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@wrx7m said:
In my limited experience with it, I can't seem to figure out DNS with it. Also, I am not sure that the bridging works the way I need for it to act as a gateway.
I've not used it excessively, but where are you running into DNS issues? Are you putting ZT everywhere, what DNS are you using? Knowing how ZT and DNS works, I'm surprised that there is a hiccup.
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Plus, for the cost saving of not using Pertino, why not bring in someone else to help set Zero Tier up and support it for you?
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I ran into problems with ZT and DNS as well - but I didn't deploy ZT everywhere - nor did I want to.
I'm guessing that If I did deploy ZT on every device I could that my problems would have been little to none, because DNS would register both the NIC IP and the ZT IP and in general I wouldn't matter which it was using when 99% of things are on the local network.
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What are you using gateway appliances to supply connectivity to?
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@Dashrender said:
What are you using gateway appliances to supply connectivity to?
Fileservers, ShoreTel Server, AV server, Printers etc.
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@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender said:
What are you using gateway appliances to supply connectivity to?
Fileservers, ShoreTel Server, AV server, Printers etc.
Are those appliances you can't install Pertino/ZT onto directly?
OK Printers I understand, but other than remote management, why would you need to connect to them on a Pertino/ZT network?
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@Dashrender To push out updates for AV clients and for ShoreTel, the use of "softphones" for external sales personnel.
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@Dashrender said:
I ran into problems with ZT and DNS as well - but I didn't deploy ZT everywhere - nor did I want to.
That's really a problem with design, not with ZT or DNS then, right?
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@wrx7m said:
@Dashrender To push out updates for AV clients and for ShoreTel, the use of "softphones" for external sales personnel.
Put the server for the softphones elsewhere for the external guys?
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@Breffni-Potter It also has to be accessible on the LAN for all of the ShoreTel equipment and local IP phones
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@scottalanmiller I saw that for the clients that did not have ZT installed on them, I would get DNS responses with the ZT IP addresses, effectively breaking DNS. I don't want to have to install ZT on every single system both client and server, as I don't with Pertino either.
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@wrx7m said:
@scottalanmiller I saw that for the clients that did not have ZT installed on them, I would get DNS responses with the ZT IP addresses, effectively breaking DNS. I don't want to have to install ZT on every single system both client and server, as I don't with Pertino either.
You can "not want to", but you are using the wrong kind of technology. The issue with DNS not working is misuse, not the product. It's fine to want that, but that's exactly how these technologies are not meant to be used. Of course it's going to cause issues.
But then there is the question of why do you not "want" it? What's causing that desire yet keeping the desire to use "deploy everywhere" products?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I ran into problems with ZT and DNS as well - but I didn't deploy ZT everywhere - nor did I want to.
That's really a problem with design, not with ZT or DNS then, right?
I never said it was with ZT, just with my experience with ZT.
I'm guessing life would have been fine if I would have deployed ZT it all 110 of my endpoints so that my one very temporarily mobile (home) user could connect. That situation gave me an excuse to give ZT a try, and for my situation it didn't work well at all because of DNS issues - my file server had two IPs in DNS, and my non ZT clients were constantly getting the ZT address from DNS and I couldn't stop the ZT NIC from registering with DNS.
Again, wholistically, ZT is probably fine.
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@Dashrender said:
I never said it was with ZT, just with my experience with ZT.
It's very misleading to say that your experience with ZT is that DNS does not work when it hasn't been fully deployed yet.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm guessing life would have been fine if I would have deployed ZT it all 110 of my endpoints so that my one very temporarily mobile (home) user could connect. That situation gave me an excuse to give ZT a try, and for my situation it didn't work well at all because of DNS issues - my file server had two IPs in DNS, and my non ZT clients were constantly getting the ZT address from DNS and I couldn't stop the ZT NIC from registering with DNS.
Again, wholistically, ZT is probably fine.
What was the driver to not fully finish deploying ZT to see if it worked?
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@scottalanmiller I totally get your point. I understand that the way to remedy that is for you to install ZT on every system. My reason for not pursuing ZT for the company is what is required for ZT to work- installing ZT on every system.
