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    Mac Mini as OSX Server + GlobalSan iSCSI

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      Jason Banned @ntoxicator
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      @ntoxicator said:

      but the data coming over the network would never be greater than 1Gbe... ?

      There is overhead in that from the local system. Indexing, Backups etc.

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        ntoxicator
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        I know internally the NAS or even DAS would have read/write capabilities which would exceed regular 1Gbe network transfer rates.

        as a RAID-10 array with 4 disks of 7200 RPM drives would easily be in the 350-450MB/s range.

        So if a user was pulling or saving or copying a file from their workstation, over to the network share. That file copy would only be at wire speed or network switching speeds.

        Or am I missing a something

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          Jason Banned @ntoxicator
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          @ntoxicator said:

          I know internally the NAS or even DAS would have read/write capabilities which would exceed regular 1Gbe network transfer rates.

          as a RAID-10 array with 4 disks of 7200 RPM drives would easily be in the 350-450MB/s range.

          So if a user was pulling or saving or copying a file from their workstation, over to the network share. That file copy would only be at wire speed or network switching speeds.

          Or am I missing a something

          Why would you go for a more complex setup when a simpler setup would actually work better?

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          • ntoxicatorN
            ntoxicator
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            You mean having the DAS?

            Simply put, customer always complains and all their agents/users about dropbox. They're paying over 2 grand per year for Dropbox business.

            Workstations disk space gets torn into and used up because dropbox data is pulled down onto each machine running the software.

            Unless there is another distributed file solution that can make work for their Mac / Apple eco-system.

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              Jason Banned @ntoxicator
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              @ntoxicator said:

              You mean having the DAS?

              No. Going with a SAN over a DAS.

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              • ntoxicatorN
                ntoxicator
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                Look at this baby.. Just found QNAP has new product. But as any TB equiped device, you get hit with price

                https://www.qnap.com/i/en/product/model.php?II=198

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                  coliver @ntoxicator
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                  @ntoxicator said:

                  Look at this baby.. Just found QNAP has new product. But as any TB equiped device, you get hit with price

                  https://www.qnap.com/i/en/product/model.php?II=198

                  Don't get QNAP... oh man I (and most customers) have horror stories about how terrible those NASs are. Look at Netgear or Synology if you just need file storage.

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                  • ntoxicatorN
                    ntoxicator
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                    Gotcha. Yeah, Personally I've always used Synology Diskstations or their Rackstation products.

                    Looking for other TB DAS units.. Promise has some nice units. But not seeing any that are empty without disks.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      Agree with @coliver avoid QNAP. Support issues.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @ntoxicator
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                        @ntoxicator said:

                        Gotcha. Yeah, Personally I've always used Synology Diskstations or their Rackstation products.

                        Looking for other TB DAS units.. Promise has some nice units. But not seeing any that are empty without disks.

                        Synology, ReadyNAS, ReadyDATA, Drobo and maybe Buffalo only. Look at no one else. Promise, Lacie, QNAP... these are not business class devices. You don't want that kind of stuff in your shop.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver
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                          Drobo makes a good DAS product as well but last time I looked at them they were a bit lacking in performance.

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                            scottalanmiller @ntoxicator
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                            @ntoxicator said:

                            Ive always stayed away from Drobo. i'll check into them again as well

                            This is specifically their sweet spot. Five bay, Thunderbolt connected DAS.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver
                              last edited by coliver

                              Do you need it to be run by the Mac Mini? I'm pretty sure the ReadyNAS does NFS storage which Macs can mount natively with a little program or script. They run a Debian fork under the hood and have Dropbox in their app marketplace as well.

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                                scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                @coliver said:

                                Drobo makes a good DAS product as well but last time I looked at them they were a bit lacking in performance.

                                Depends on the performance that you are looking at. Their read performance is awesome if you have an SSD cache added in. Write is pretty slow.

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                                • ntoxicatorN
                                  ntoxicator
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                                  Like mac OSX server app to keep everything simple. As with the built in OpenDirectory and such.

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                                    scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                    @coliver said:

                                    Do you need it to be run by the Mac Mini? I'm pretty sure the ReadyNAS does NFS storage which Macs can mount natively with a little program or script. They run a Debian fork under the hood and have Dropbox in their app marketplace as well.

                                    It does but it lacks vfs_fruit so for a large scale Mac environment it is not idea, yet.

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                                      brianlittlejohn @ntoxicator
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                                      @ntoxicator I've had Apple's OpenDirectory corrupt on me both places I've implemented it. I dont like it at all. (Granted that was about 6 years ago)

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                                        marcinozga @coliver
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                                        @coliver said:

                                        Do you need it to be run by the Mac Mini? I'm pretty sure the ReadyNAS does NFS storage which Macs can mount natively with a little program or script. They run a Debian fork under the hood and have Dropbox in their app marketplace as well.

                                        NFS on OS X has its own quirks and is not as reliable as on other Unix systems. And you can forget about Spotlight searches without the use of OS X Server.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
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                                          Why are you looking at a local solution instead of a cloud one? Wouldn't a cloud one work better for multi locations?

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                                          • ntoxicatorN
                                            ntoxicator
                                            last edited by ntoxicator

                                            Plan was to have a volume/disk attached to Mac Mini running the Server app. in el capitan its nice! alot of changes and merged to a single app... more rounded & polished per say.

                                            But all shares would be SMB (as apple moving away from AFP) and also WebDav share option
                                            Formatted as HFS+ ofcourse

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