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@Minion-Queen said:
My old IPhone 4S is still running strong. I only let it die a couple times. But kept it between 20% and 80% all the time. Charging it multiple times a day to keep it in that range. Someone else uses it now and has no problem keeping it in that range now and it is 5 plus years old.
Steve actually mentions that too. If possible, you should never allow your Lithium devices to go below 20% going below actually causes damage to them.. doing it on occasion the damage is probably pretty light, but doing that a lot, well, I've killed batteries doing that
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@scottalanmiller said:
I believe Steve has completely missed the use cases I recommend and all of his information is correct based on the assumption that the case I propose is excluded.
Would you please post a single post that is what your proposal is and the specific use case?
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@Dashrender said:
Steve actually mentions that too. If possible, you should never allow your Lithium devices to go below 20% going below actually causes damage to them.. doing it on occasion the damage is probably pretty light, but doing that a lot, well, I've killed batteries doing that
In what way did it kill them? I do this on at least ten batteries daily and have daily for half a decade at least and I have the best battery lives of anyone that I know on all of those devices. Anecdotal, I realize, but it is a LOT of discharge cycles.
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@Dashrender said:
Would you please post a single post that is what your proposal is and the specific use case?
Full charge and discharge, same as has always been the standard for these types of batteries going back decades. Always charge to 100%, never stop part way, and run down as low as you can before plugging in. Apple recommends this too but says it is only necessary about once a month - I say more often is better, trickle charging and little bits here and there cause noticeable drops in battery life in as little as several days of doing so, from what I've seen.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Steve actually mentions that too. If possible, you should never allow your Lithium devices to go below 20% going below actually causes damage to them.. doing it on occasion the damage is probably pretty light, but doing that a lot, well, I've killed batteries doing that
In what way did it kill them? I do this on at least ten batteries daily and have daily for half a decade at least and I have the best battery lives of anyone that I know on all of those devices. Anecdotal, I realize, but it is a LOT of discharge cycles.
When I went to Europe a few years ago, my batteries would get hot from high usage and also drain to 1% or less daily. By the end the trip, that batter would only hold about a 4 hour charge before it was dead.
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@Dashrender said:
When I went to Europe a few years ago, my batteries would get hot from high usage and also drain to 1% or less daily. By the end the trip, that batter would only hold about a 4 hour charge before it was dead.
How can you tell that the discharge was the factor rather than getting too hot? I've had them die from heat before too, that's normal.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
When I went to Europe a few years ago, my batteries would get hot from high usage and also drain to 1% or less daily. By the end the trip, that batter would only hold about a 4 hour charge before it was dead.
How can you tell that the discharge was the factor rather than getting too hot? I've had them die from heat before too, that's normal.
Great question - I can't.
You allow your batteries to go to 1-2% or even less near daily without issues? interesting.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Would you please post a single post that is what your proposal is and the specific use case?
Full charge and discharge, same as has always been the standard for these types of batteries going back decades. Always charge to 100%, never stop part way, and run down as low as you can before plugging in. Apple recommends this too but says it is only necessary about once a month - I say more often is better, trickle charging and little bits here and there cause noticeable drops in battery life in as little as several days of doing so, from what I've seen.
I claim no expertise, but pretty much everything I've read says the best way to maximize a battery's life expectancy is not to fully charge it and not to fully discharge it either.
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@Dashrender said:
You allow your batteries to go to 1-2% or even less near daily without issues? interesting.
Every day, every device. Till they power off. Phones, iPads, laptops, etc. Four users in the house doing it with all devices. The success rate is 100%. All of our batteries just last and last.
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@Dashrender said:
How can you tell that the discharge was the factor rather than getting too hot? I've had them die from heat before too, that's normal.
Great question - I can't.
I am careful about keeping things out of the sun, not insulating them, cooling them down when necessary and just generally being very conscious about the temperature of the devices. I've been known to toss a phone into the freezer to keep it cool and in the car I often keep my phone in an AC vent so that it is cold.
