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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
      last edited by

      Oh, I missed that. So you actually have an issue with MS Office to MS Office compatibility? How does that work with sending files to the customers then? They can't realistically be running MS Office 2007 too, can they?

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      • BRRABillB
        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        Oh, I missed that. So you actually have an issue with MS Office to MS Office compatibility? How does that work with sending files to the customers then? They can't realistically be running MS Office 2007 too, can they?

        You know ... that's a good question.

        The last we checked, they were on version equal to our previous to ours.

        We definitely send PDFs to most.

        See? Your solutions always come around in the end!

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          I like to believe that that is true 🙂

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          • RomoR
            Romo @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said:

            Also wondering, for people who have had compatibility issues, was this with the modern XML formats or the old ones? Microsoft's move to XML formats is what really changed things.

            We've had compatibility issues with both formats, old and new. Sometimes they are barely noticeable but other time they are pretty severe. For example on this simple presentation, Impress on the right, changes the size of the title. Considering the page is simple text and a couple lists, it's quite strange is could have the title be the same size as the original.

            0_1450208581481_office2013_vs_libreoffice5.png

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              Also wondering, for people who have had compatibility issues, was this with the modern XML formats or the old ones? Microsoft's move to XML formats is what really changed things.

              For me it was old ones. I was looking in 2008, shortly after Office 2007 and XML versions came out, but before we started using it.

              You're making it sound like things are much better today.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Romo
                last edited by

                @Romo Is that both office suites running on the same OS?

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                • RomoR
                  Romo @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller Yes

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    Also wondering, for people who have had compatibility issues, was this with the modern XML formats or the old ones? Microsoft's move to XML formats is what really changed things.

                    For me it was old ones. I was looking in 2008, shortly after Office 2007 and XML versions came out, but before we started using it.

                    You're making it sound like things are much better today.

                    I noticed an improvement when the XML formats released. Don't know if things have improved since that point. I don't often see issues, but I don't often see attempts, either.

                    Sounds like we need to run some tests!

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Romo
                      last edited by

                      @Romo said:

                      @scottalanmiller Yes

                      So can't be font related then.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Romo said:

                        @scottalanmiller Yes

                        So can't be font related then.

                        These are exactly the types of problems that I saw back in 2008. Even as something as simple as what Romo is showing. Why are they different?

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                        • RomoR
                          Romo
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @Romo said:

                          @scottalanmiller Yes

                          So can't be font related then.

                          No, same computer same fonts.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @Romo said:

                            @scottalanmiller Yes

                            So can't be font related then.

                            These are exactly the types of problems that I saw back in 2008. Even as something as simple as what Romo is showing. Why are they different?

                            Probably the same reason that web pages render differently in two different browsers. HTML and Word files are both XML markup files and Word/LibreOffice and IE/Chrome are really just XML browsers.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
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                              That actually makes total sense and means we'll never be able to fully flow from one to the other without these worries.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said:

                                That actually makes total sense and means we'll never be able to fully flow from one to the other without these worries.

                                Not unless someone publishes an official "this is how it is supposed to render" document to follow. The rendering is a little subjective.

                                PDF is not subjective and avoids this problem.

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                                • BRRABillB
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                                  Yeah, that's the kind of stuff we also saw.

                                  Our reports are all chock full to the margin of tables and charts. You can imagine what happens.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Do you have any generic reports to send around? Would be interesting to see how they turn out in LibreOffice here.

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      Do you have any generic reports to send around? Would be interesting to see how they turn out in LibreOffice here.

                                      Not really.

                                      I will see what I can dig up and report back.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        I wonder what happens if we open and then save in LibreOffice. We should be able to make PDFs to compare their outputs.

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                                        • BRRABillB
                                          BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller

                                          I installed LibreOffice. I'll see what happens, and can redact some stuff and post.

                                          Not today, though.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            Good luck.

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