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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      iSCSI Buffalo drive attached to a Server 2008 file server with 1Gbe NIC (single) which backups to a 2 and 4 drive Synology devices.

      Each synology backup different items.

      We also have an ancient "archive server" which has 6 drives, running Server 2003 which actually runs the Storage Craft software. Single NIC connected, 1Gbe, 8GB RAM with a Quad Core AMD Opteron 1385 CPU.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
        last edited by Dashrender

        No wonder you have issues!

        So the iSCSI traffic for the Buffalo goes over the same NIC as the traffic being sent to the 2 Synology devices?

        And it's all driven by the StorageCraft software that's running on the Server 2003 box?

        What does the Buffalo device do that's different than the 2 Synology devices?

        Is the Buffalo the primary storage, boot storage, etc, for the Server 2008?

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
          last edited by

          The iSCSI target is housing our network shares.

          The buffalo is being decommissioned but it was a backup device.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said:

            We also have an ancient "archive server" which has 6 drives, running Server 2003 which actually runs the Storage Craft software. Single NIC connected, 1Gbe, 8GB RAM with a Quad Core AMD Opteron 1385 CPU.

            So everything flows through this machine? All 8TB of backups goes through this choke point? Have you checked CPU to see if it is maxed out? Memory to see if it is exhausted? IOPS to see if you are beyond the limits of the drives?

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
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              The server 2003 is horribly slow. CPU usage is constantly peaking. Memory usage doesn't seem to be hit very hard.

              But this device is also looking to be tossed. I was considering just using it for drive space as just another backup of our backup sort of device.

              Maybe not?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                @DustinB3403 said:

                1Gbe

                1Gb/s has a realistic maximum transfer rate of 800Mb/s and that would be HARD to hit and sustain. 8TB on 1Gb/s is 21.2 hours to copy. That's with zero bottlenecks anywhere, just wide open streaming without ever dropping the speed.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  Even in relative idle times this servers slow. I don't know how old it even is. 6-8 years maybe

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Realistically, you need a core backup infrastructure of 10Gb/s in a bonded pair which would drop your network bottleneck from 21.2 hours to 1.05 hours. Of course other bottlenecks will be exposed. But this is key. Your fundamental network infrastructure cannot handle your backup needs. This means you cannot restore in an emergency either. Nothing you do will speed it up, waiting a full day minimum would be your only option. And likely you would need to do a lot of different things at once and be very unable to keep the line fully saturated for a full day while doing the restore.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by Dashrender

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      1Gbe

                      1Gb/s has a realistic maximum transfer rate of 800Mb/s and that would be HARD to hit and sustain. 8TB on 1Gb/s is 21.2 hours to copy. That's with zero bottlenecks anywhere, just wide open streaming without ever dropping the speed.

                      Well, then he's actually doing pretty good, if he says it takes around 24 hours to backup the whole system (all current 6 TB). He might have a bottle neck somewhere, but not a horrible one.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Even in relative idle times this servers slow. I don't know how old it even is. 6-8 years maybe

                        Given that 2003 R2 came out in 2005, it is presumably 10+ years old.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          1Gb/s has a realistic maximum transfer rate of 800Mb/s and that would be HARD to hit and sustain. 8TB on 1Gb/s is 21.2 hours to copy. That's with zero bottlenecks anywhere, just wide open streaming without ever dropping the speed.

                          This math alone proves that using NAUBackup to create full backups won't really be much better than the current solution. Definitely sounds like it's time for a network upgrade.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            Or just a dedicated 10Gig switch for the management port on Xen and the onsite backup solutions.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
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                              Of course I'd have to put 10Gbe NICs into the host servers.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                Of course I'd have to put 10Gbe NICs into the host servers.

                                Not necessarily, you only need your aggregate to be faster. I'm assuming that bonded NICs have not been set up? Get that fixed. If every server was 2Gb/s and the backup host was 10Gb/s you'd take rather an amazing leap forward just there. Probably enough to find other bottlenecks.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  If you identify a single server that needs more speed, you can go up to triple or quadruple GigE if need be before making a leap to 10GigE connections.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    You might find a single server or two with 10GigE needs, but likely not the majority. Spend opportunistically.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Might as well loop in StorageCraft themselves too: @Steven

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        If you identify a single server that needs more speed, you can go up to triple or quadruple GigE if need be before making a leap to 10GigE connections.

                                        What's the current cost for a 10 GigE card. Assuming he doesn't already have open ports of GigE, he'll need to buy regardless.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
                                          last edited by Dashrender

                                          I'm surprised, an unmanged 10 GigE swith 8 port is $760

                                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122529

                                          A two port card from Dell is $650. Third party might be considerably less.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            Yup, I've been pushing Netgear 10GigE for a long time now. I think that Dell has some decent 10GigE fiber switches for around $2K as well.

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