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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by DustinB3403

      So I have to ask to ask.

      The storage location must be browsable in a \ipaddress\ format I'm assuming.

      Scott mentioned that it's possible to restore the virtual hardware with SC as well. Is this an additional process, or something that is just performed automatically?

      Do you need to create the VM with the vDISKs included or does the restore process create these automatically?

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      • StrongBadS
        StrongBad
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        Seems like StorageCraft is really going to be all that you need. Keeping it simple with a single product, single vendor to turn to.

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        • StrongBadS
          StrongBad @DustinB3403
          last edited by StrongBad

          @DustinB3403 said:

          Scott mentioned that it's possible to restore the hardware with SC as well. Is this an additional process, or something that is just performed automatically?

          You would only backup the files in that case. We are talking the Dom0 here. Just the files, not the full VM.

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          • StrongBadS
            StrongBad
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            I am researching a good way to handle that.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @StrongBad
              last edited by

              @StrongBad said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Scott mentioned that it's possible to restore the hardware with SC as well. Is this an additional process, or something that is just performed automatically?

              You would only backup the files in that case. We are talking the Dom0 here. Just the files, not the full VM.

              Yes, just the files. XenServer's Dom0 is going to be "identical" each time so no point in backing that up in its entirety.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                Don't forget, as well, that you would generally do something like have XenServer on a USB stick or SD card and then you could take an image of the full thing once in a while for failover. But that is done offline so would be problematic for recent VM configurations.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @StrongBad
                  last edited by

                  @StrongBad ok but backing up Dom0 from Xenserver is different from what I'm thinking.

                  Just for an example. I need to rebuild a VM, besides adding the CPU and Memory, and Boot media could I skip the step of adding a vDisk and let storage craft add that.

                  Or must I add the vDisk matching what was in the original VM?

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                  • StrongBadS
                    StrongBad @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 it is the Xen config on Dom0 that would have that information.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      Why wouldn't SC at the guest level contain the virtual hardware information?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Just for an example. I need to rebuild a VM, besides adding the CPU and Memory, and Boot media could I skip the step of adding a vDisk and let storage craft add that.

                        Or must I add the vDisk matching what was in the original VM?

                        The virtual disk configuration is part of the information on XenServer and not something that any OS level tool, like StorageCraft, could ever access. It's part of the hardware. If you think of it from SC's perspective, that would be like having SC physically install a new RAID array for you. It can't do that. You need to provide the hardware onto which SC will do the restore.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Why wouldn't SC at the guest level contain the virtual hardware information?

                          Because the guest doesn't have that information. That's the platform level.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            So basically, using SC for this, which does seem like a better option.

                            But it means that each VM must be well documented, which I suspect will be difficult for "people" to maintain.

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                            • StrongBadS
                              StrongBad @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              So basically, using SC for this, which does seem like a better option.

                              But it means that each VM must be well documented, which I suspect will be difficult for "people" to maintain.

                              Documentation would be quite important. Same as if you had to replace failed hardware. Although the hardware does not have to be identical.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                Documentation is really the key is what it comes down too.

                                Not a hard answer. Just something that needs to be well maintained.

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                                • StrongBadS
                                  StrongBad
                                  last edited by

                                  I have no looked into this before, does XenServer store the actual configuration of the clients in the /var/xapi database folder on the Dom0?

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @StrongBad
                                    last edited by

                                    @StrongBad haha... documentation... all of that which I'm trying to sort here, and actually get written at work....

                                    Yeah... documentation.... it's gotta start somewhere. keeping it current is the difficult part for most people.

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                                    • StrongBadS
                                      StrongBad
                                      last edited by

                                      Info here on how to backup and restore the Dom0 metadata.

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                                      • StrongBadS
                                        StrongBad
                                        last edited by

                                        Some good info here too...

                                        http://tecadmin.net/backup-vms-metadata-in-citrix-xenserver/

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by DustinB3403

                                          I have one more question.

                                          What if we wanted to "expand a file server to a larger vDISk to the file share partition.

                                          Or would I expand the drive from Xencenter, reboot, and expand?

                                          Edit: I guess what I mean, which way is the preferred method to expanding a partition.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            What OS and filesystem are you expanding?

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