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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      We currently have Storage Craft for the incremental backups as well as Root directory backups.

      We would likely continue using it for incrementals. But performing the fulls is what has me the most concerned.

      (good point, forgot to add it)

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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        @DustinB3403 said:

        Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

        What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said:

          @DustinB3403 said:

          Is this realistic to even pursue an Off-site backup solution?

          Tape. That's how everyone tackles that.

          Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

          I can't imagine it would. This isn't for archival but recovery in IT Disaster.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said:

            @DustinB3403 said:

            Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

            What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

            I'm uncertain of how to find out. Any recommendations?

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              Oh I excluded it mistakenly, the full backup by my estimates, performed weekly (and held for a month) would total ~24 TB of space. (rounded for drive sizes)

              What is the delta rate? That is the most important number.

              Exactly, if you go incrementals, can't StorageCraft sync via the WAN to another server? Why bother with the fulls?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said:

                Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                  It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                  Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    I'm uncertain of how to find out. Any recommendations?

                    It has to be measured. You need to see how big incrementals are.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                      It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                      Terabyte. Not gigabytes.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                        It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                        Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                        That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                          It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                          Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                          That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                          And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                            No, you change the tapes locally. You DRIVE the tapes to the offsite. The entire point is to bypass the WAN. Anything using the WAN is going to be a non-option.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              Would tape still address the length of time it would take to create the full?

                              It only takes a few minutes to write 24GB to tape.

                              Terabyte. Not gigiabytes.

                              That's what I meant. Tape is fast, very fast.

                              And how would that operate for off-site? Wouldn't someone have to site there changing tapes in and out?

                              I assume you would find a tape solution that holds a single full backup. Then you just swap the single tape. You said you only do it weekly, so that would be four tapes a month, and someone would have to bring them to the offsite location.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                                They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @DustinB3403 said:

                                  So a local tape solution, carried off weekly.

                                  They can't be much heavier than the 22lbs box I take home weekly...

                                  Right, like far less than a pound 😉

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Wouldn't you carry off daily?

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      Any recommendations on a product that can hold this. I haven't used any tapes in my experience.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        Do disk to disk to tape. Disk backup kept onsite. Tape taken offsite.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Daily incrementals could be performed to a colo (or online storage service) easily enough. It's the fulls that would have to be run weekly.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said:

                                            Any recommendations on a product that can hold this. I haven't used any tapes in my experience.

                                            Any WILL hold it, it just takes more tapes the bigger it gets. You would determine your tape technology choice off of your delta rate, not your full rate.

                                            LTO is the tape technology you would use. Which model, LTO 3, LTO 4 or LTO 5 (or the upcoming LTO 6) would be what you need to choose.

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