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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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      @IT-ADMIN said:

      loooool i swear there is no secret
      what i want was described in detailed in my previous post

      But didn't you state that there were multiple servers to back up? Isn't there value in not wasting money with DAS because you would need one DAS for each machine?

      You've been given a really cheap and safer option to use another backup software to NAS. Save money, get more features. Why would you continue to look at Windows Backup or DAS? We've established that both of those are bad for you, right? So what is making you continue to think that they are viable? There is something that you are not telling us that is totally driving your decision making here.

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      • IT-ADMINI
        IT-ADMIN
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        no, no
        what i was thinking is that SAN is very expensive, this is what makes me choosing DAS over it
        i learned from the spicework virtualization course that SAN is the most expensive one for this reason SAN was the last option on my list 🙂

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
          last edited by

          @IT-ADMIN said:

          no, no
          what i was thinking is that SAN is very expensive, this is what makes me choosing DAS over it

          But we aren't talking about SAN at all, DAS and NAS. SAN should not have entered the discussion.

          But SAN and DAS are always the same price as they are just two ways to hook up the same thing.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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            @IT-ADMIN said:

            i learned from the spicework virtualization course that SAN is the most expensive one for this reason SAN was the last option on my list 🙂

            External storage is the most expensive, but all external storage is expensive if you don't need it. You are talking about comparing a SAN to having "Nothing". Of course buying something is more expensive than having nothing.

            The only reason that SAN exists, in theory, is to lower costs as it has no other advantage other than saving money at large scale.

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            • IT-ADMINI
              IT-ADMIN @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @IT-ADMIN said:

              no, no
              what i was thinking is that SAN is very expensive, this is what makes me choosing DAS over it

              But we aren't talking about SAN at all, DAS and NAS. SAN should not have entered the discussion.

              But SAN and DAS are always the same price as they are just two ways to hook up the same thing.

              so you told me that SAN and DAS are always the same price
              what do you think about this
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              • IT-ADMINI
                IT-ADMIN
                last edited by

                i get a badge from SW based on a test regarding this
                but it looks like this course not having exact information

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                  last edited by

                  @IT-ADMIN said:

                  i get a badge from SW based on a test regarding this
                  but it looks like this course not having exact information

                  Spiceworks is a marketing company, they are not an IT or technical company. They know nothing about this stuff. That's like getting a badge from a hot dog vendor saying that you are good at Systems Administration because they sell lots of hot dogs to IT people. Why would you get information like that from someone not in IT?

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                  • IT-ADMINI
                    IT-ADMIN
                    last edited by

                    when i see SAN : money falling from heaven, i remove the SAN from my list lol

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                      last edited by

                      @IT-ADMIN said:

                      what do you think about this

                      I think that you need to work on identifying when someone is in marketing or sales rather than an IT professional. Spiceworks is completely the wrong place to be getting that kind of information. They are only there to sell things for the vendors who sponsor them, nothing else. Why would marketing interns have any idea what a SAN even means?

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                      • IT-ADMINI
                        IT-ADMIN @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        Why would you get information like that from someone not in IT?

                        SW not IT 😳

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                          last edited by

                          @IT-ADMIN said:

                          but it looks like this course not having exact information

                          There were some complaints about their using "Sam" too to confuse people into thinking that they paid "SAM" to make sure that the information was correct. Because obviously this wasn't checked by anyone.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
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                            @IT-ADMIN said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            Why would you get information like that from someone not in IT?

                            SW not IT 😳

                            Of course it isn't IT. Why would you associate the two? They've never claimed to be anything of the sort.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              Spiceworks has always been completely open and honest about being a marketing company and nothing else. They are ad people, and very good at it. They are run by marketing people, their hire all marketing people. They only have just enough IT staff to support the hundreds of marketing and sales people that they have. There is no secret there. No different than any other marketing firm.

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                              • IT-ADMINI
                                IT-ADMIN
                                last edited by

                                oh, now i see, really i was ignorant, i trusted SW

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
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                                  The badges should only be done for laughs. You gain nothing from having them. Sure you might ween some information out of their "University" that you hadn't known before. But take it with a huge grain of salt.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @IT-ADMIN
                                    last edited by

                                    @IT-ADMIN said:

                                    oh, now i see, really i was ignorant, i trusted SW

                                    Trusting them as marketers is fine. Trusting them to be IT pros when they don't claim to be isn't exactly trust. They don't claim to be technical or understand any of this stuff. Why they have that badge, I have no idea, but their badges are just silly stuff, like getting your picture with a badger or whatever. It's not something serious for IT pros, it's silly stuff for people on social media. Nothing wrong with it, but Spiceworks is just like Facebook, it's just a social media platform. The value is the people in the community, not the people collecting money for the ads displayed there.

                                    Same as MangoLassi. You get IT advice from the people participating on the platform, never from MangoLassi or GroveSocial themselves. They are marketing people who run the social media. Now if you want to learn about social media, then MangoLassi, GroveSocial or Spiceworks are the people to talk to. But if you want IT help, you go to IT companies or professionals.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender
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                                      @scottalanmiller
                                      Assuming @IT-ADMIN's severs are installed bare metal, what backup software should he consider looking at? That's automated?

                                      If someone posted a suggestion, I must have missed it.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said:

                                        The badges should only be done for laughs. You gain nothing from having them. Sure you might ween some information out of their "University" that you hadn't known before. But take it with a huge grain of salt.

                                        Oh, no, you would avoid their university. They don't have any IT oversight on that stuff. Unless it is classes about Spiceworks, you should not be looking at that material as it is not peer reviewed, like public posts are. So there isn't even the value that you get from free forums!

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said:

                                          @scottalanmiller
                                          Assuming @IT-ADMIN's severs are installed bare metal, what backup software should he consider looking at? That's automated?

                                          If someone posted a suggestion, I must have missed it.

                                          @Reid-Cooper mentioned CrashPlan way up near the top.

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                                          • Reid CooperR
                                            Reid Cooper
                                            last edited by

                                            Yes, I was thinking that CrashPlan is free and can backup to DAS or NAS, whatever is needed. More powerful and flexible than the built in Windows backup option and since it is free, no downsides.

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