Network Administrator I- Discussion
-
Why does a network administrator care about Windows servers. Sounds like the wrong title.
-
@IRJ said:
A degree is not necessary. Certifications amd/or experience will substitute it. I don't have a degree and I was hired
The way it is worded does promote the degree more than I think you mean it to. People are so used to seeing that and either giving up because they lack it or turning you down because they don't want to work for a place that requires it. If it isn't required, I wouldn't have it say that it kind of is. Only makes it harder for you to find good people having it worded that way.
-
@thecreativeone91 said:
Why does a network administrator care about Windows servers. Sounds like the wrong title.
Very much. Windows experience for a Network Admin doesn't make any sense. There is no overlap between Windows and networking.
-
@thecreativeone91 said:
This really looks like an IT technician job with a fancy title.
An incorrect, fancy title. Fancy is one thing, but a title that means something different is something else.
Secretaries being called Office Managers or Executive Assistants is fancy. Secretaries being called Executives is incorrect.
Strangely, secretary is a far more prestigious title a lot of places than assistant.
-
Third highest position in the US is the Secretary of State, not the Assistant of State.
-
Here is the first line:
The Network Administrator 1, is responsible for keeping the network computing systems operating effectively....
The title is network but the role is working on systems, not on the network.
-
Not working on systems though (servers) as a systems position would be. It's desktop and printers only. So yes, Desktop Technician sounds like a better title. Likely certs for this, I am getting, are MCP, A+, Network+, etc. ?
-
I didn't write the job description or title. I am just sharing it.
Yeah its basically an IT Technician that pays more like a network admin.
-
@IRJ said:
I didn't write the job description or title. I am just sharing it.
Yeah its basically an IT Technician that pays more like a network admin.
What's the pay range? Network Admin is like $65K on the low end, I think.
-
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
I didn't write the job description or title. I am just sharing it.
Yeah its basically an IT Technician that pays more like a network admin.
What's the pay range? Network Admin is like $65K on the low end, I think.
I don't know for sure, but the salary in the Orlando area is lower than the national average. I think its a similar to that position pay wise.
swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Network-Administrator-I-Salary-Details-Orlando-FL.aspx
-
@scottalanmiller said:
Third highest position in the US is the Secretary of State, not the Assistant of State.
OK, that's one example.. can you give us 3 more? I say three, but it seems likely you have at least one more ready to shoot.
-
@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
I didn't write the job description or title. I am just sharing it.
Yeah its basically an IT Technician that pays more like a network admin.
What's the pay range? Network Admin is like $65K on the low end, I think.
I don't know for sure, but the salary in the Orlando area is lower than the national average. I think its a similar to that position pay wise.
swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Network-Administrator-I-Salary-Details-Orlando-FL.aspx
$55K and Orlando might make sense. Orlando is pretty cheap on the pay scale.
-
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Third highest position in the US is the Secretary of State, not the Assistant of State.
OK, that's one example.. can you give us 3 more? I say three, but it seems likely you have at least one more ready to shoot.
Other than the obvious, like secretary of defense?
-
Secretary General of the United Nations
-
OK these are all military/gov't titles so far... so lets move away from them.. since those titles are most likely 200 years old give or take.
Modern titles where someone is called Secretary and people give respect instead of possible disdain.
-
@Dashrender said:
OK these are all military/gov't titles so far... so lets move away from them.. since those titles are most likely 200 years old give or take.
Modern titles where someone is called Secretary and people give respect instead of possible disdain.
What modern title is like that? Most any serious title is an old one. President, CEO, Engineer, Architect, Doctor, Teacher, Professor.... all old.
Do you really give extra respect to Assistant or Office Manager over secretary?
-
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
OK these are all military/gov't titles so far... so lets move away from them.. since those titles are most likely 200 years old give or take.
Modern titles where someone is called Secretary and people give respect instead of possible disdain.
What modern title is like that? Most any serious title is an old one. President, CEO, Engineer, Architect, Doctor, Teacher, Professor.... all old.
Do you really give extra respect to Assistant or Office Manager over secretary?
Frankly yes. I can't say why, I think of a secretary normally as a little ol' lady sitting in front of a type writer typing letters, or filing papers, and answering the phone. Now clearly, the Secretary of State isn't doing any of those things today, but perhaps they did 200 years ago, and the title didn't change. Perhaps not.
Office Manager in a medical clinic setting for example is the boss, more or less the CEO, oversees the day to day operations of the medical clinic. So yes, I give Office Manager huge respect. Assistant - by title alone, no, but depending on who they are an assistant to.. that could change, but only for the specific person.
-
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
OK these are all military/gov't titles so far... so lets move away from them.. since those titles are most likely 200 years old give or take.
Modern titles where someone is called Secretary and people give respect instead of possible disdain.
What modern title is like that? Most any serious title is an old one. President, CEO, Engineer, Architect, Doctor, Teacher, Professor.... all old.
Do you really give extra respect to Assistant or Office Manager over secretary?
Frankly yes. I can't say why, I think of a secretary normally as a little ol' lady sitting in front of a type writer typing letters, or filing papers, and answering the phone. Now clearly, the Secretary of State isn't doing any of those things today, but perhaps they did 200 years ago, and the title didn't change. Perhaps not.
Office Manager in a medical clinic setting for example is the boss, more or less the CEO, oversees the day to day operations of the medical clinic. So yes, I give Office Manager huge respect. Assistant - by title alone, no, but depending on who they are an assistant to.. that could change, but only for the specific person.
Maybe I'm the odd man out here again, as I seem to always be, but to me Office Manger or Assistant just seem like pretentious titles that are for people who are doing the same job but don't want to admit it. Anyplace that I've ever been, those titles are for what used to be the "typing pool". Executive Assistant is for what used to be secretaries, the personal assistants of someone big enough to have one. I find any lack of job change but that comes with a big title increase to feel like a step down. I respect a garbage man more than a "rubbish engineer." Not that people often pick their own titles, bit they do control what they describe their job as.
In big finance we had a lot of office managers and they were definitely below what we used to think of as secretaries. A secretary controlled the boss' life. They were the lifeblood of the manager. The person who controlled access, schedules, knew where he was, what he was doing, how to get things done. People relied on secretaries. The title was kind of a mark of honour.
I see a secretary as a very respectable job.
-
@Dashrender said:
Office Manager in a medical clinic setting for example is the boss, more or less the CEO, oversees the day to day operations of the medical clinic. So yes, I give Office Manager huge respect. Assistant - by title alone, no, but depending on who they are an assistant to.. that could change, but only for the specific person.
A normal office manager in a normal company is not that at all. We've had this discussion before that you have someone that is actually a manager, not someone who is just the gopher for everyone else.
-
As far as I know, the most typical use of office manager today is for a "pool" person, not a dedicated secretary. Very traditionally, the secretaries were assigned to someone, they controlled their lives (the secretaries controlled the boss' life.) But the "typing pool" was the "get coffee and type this up for me" types. And that's what, from what I have seen, has evolved into what is typically called an office manager. A shared person that everyone in an office uses for whatever tasks they need assistance with. Closer to receptionist than to what a secretary should be.
