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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
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@nerdydad said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
That's over stating it. It's correct to say it's not a national ID, the federal government doesn't recognize it as a national ID, but MANY institutions do use it as a primary basis of identification of a person.
The article specifically mentioned using
"modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys.
Though this will likely fail miserably as well. The only way it works is if the only person who has the private key is the citizen, but what happens when the citizen undoubtedly looses/misplaces their private key?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
That's over stating it. It's correct to say it's not a national ID, the federal government doesn't recognize it as a national ID, but MANY institutions do use it as a primary basis of identification of a person.
It's not overstating it. It is stating it exactly correctly. You are tacking on a red herring. Yes, many companies use it as a broken ID, but what does that have to do with the price of milk? That's not what the government was discussing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
That's over stating it. It's correct to say it's not a national ID, the federal government doesn't recognize it as a national ID, but MANY institutions do use it as a primary basis of identification of a person.
It's not overstating it. It is stating it exactly correctly. You are tacking on a red herring. Yes, many companies use it as a broken ID, but what does that have to do with the price of milk? That's not what the government was discussing.
Sure it is, they are just using the wrong words - they are talking about it incorrectly, but that is their goal.
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
it would be more accurate for these people to say - since business has adobted our SSN# as a defacto national ID, and clearly this is a bad thing, we need to kill the SSN# system and move to something else that the business industry can glom onto, and this time we'll think about it and find something that hopefully will be a more secure solution.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
That's over stating it. It's correct to say it's not a national ID, the federal government doesn't recognize it as a national ID, but MANY institutions do use it as a primary basis of identification of a person.
It's not overstating it. It is stating it exactly correctly. You are tacking on a red herring. Yes, many companies use it as a broken ID, but what does that have to do with the price of milk? That's not what the government was discussing.
Sure it is, they are just using the wrong words - they are talking about it incorrectly, but that is their goal.
Why would you jump to that conclusion when they specifically avoided it?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
it would be more accurate for these people to say - since business has adobted our SSN# as a defacto national ID, and clearly this is a bad thing, we need to kill the SSN# system and move to something else that the business industry can glom onto, and this time we'll think about it and find something that hopefully will be a more secure solution.
It would be more useful. That that would be accurate is in no way something we can assume.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
Because it gets people to act like they are making a difference. It's good marketing and they know that they can say things like this and through standard marketing principles that people will take what they actually said, twist it to mean something sensible, and will run with it claiming that they said things that they didn't. It's the exact same marketing trick we talk about all the time and you demonstrated why it is so effective. They said one thing that commits them to zero real action, and you've given them all kinds of credit for "meaning" something that would actually be good. Mission accomplished.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
Because it gets people to act like they are making a difference. It's good marketing and they know that they can say things like this and through standard marketing principles that people will take what they actually said, twist it to mean something sensible, and will run with it claiming that they said things that they didn't. It's the exact same marketing trick we talk about all the time and you demonstrated why it is so effective. They said one thing that commits them to zero real action, and you've given them all kinds of credit for "meaning" something that would actually be good. Mission accomplished.
No, mission not accomplished, because in 9 months when they haven't done shit, we'll all be bitching about how they did nothing... of course they will just come back and say - we didn't say we'd actually do anything.. I'm not sure of any mission at all, assuming what you're saying is correct, what was their actual mission? just to get people to shut up today. If that's the case, I suppose it might be accomplished.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
Because it gets people to act like they are making a difference. It's good marketing and they know that they can say things like this and through standard marketing principles that people will take what they actually said, twist it to mean something sensible, and will run with it claiming that they said things that they didn't. It's the exact same marketing trick we talk about all the time and you demonstrated why it is so effective. They said one thing that commits them to zero real action, and you've given them all kinds of credit for "meaning" something that would actually be good. Mission accomplished.
No, mission not accomplished, ...
Yes, it is. They got you to repeat what they didn't say and defend their lack of actions. You proved the value of what they did. They wanted to do nothing, but get credit for it. You gave them credit when they committed to absolutely nothing.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
... because in 9 months when they haven't done shit, we'll all be bitching about how they did nothing... of course they will just come back and say - we didn't say we'd actually do anything..
Right. And then get extra credit for being smart, logical, and honest and tear into people who made things up and put words in their mouths to discredit them.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
Because it gets people to act like they are making a difference. It's good marketing and they know that they can say things like this and through standard marketing principles that people will take what they actually said, twist it to mean something sensible, and will run with it claiming that they said things that they didn't. It's the exact same marketing trick we talk about all the time and you demonstrated why it is so effective. They said one thing that commits them to zero real action, and you've given them all kinds of credit for "meaning" something that would actually be good. Mission accomplished.
No, mission not accomplished, ...
Yes, it is. They got you to repeat what they didn't say and defend their lack of actions. You proved the value of what they did. They wanted to do nothing, but get credit for it. You gave them credit when they committed to absolutely nothing.
I'm not defending lack of actions.. where would anyone do that?
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I'm not sure of any mission at all, assuming what you're saying is correct, what was their actual mission? just to get people to shut up today. If that's the case, I suppose it might be accomplished.
Of course that's their mission. They get people to stop complaining, they get people to repeat that the government is going to do something good, and no one can complain later when they don't. They win in every way.
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@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
No, it has become a business ID. It has done nothing like become a national ID. The government is feeding you just enough for you to see the marketing and say "Well what they actually said means nothing so they must have meant this thing that would make sense to me." But the logical thing is that they claimed nothing because they intended to do nothing. That you assume that they said the wrong thing but plan to do the thing that you hope that they will do is not implied by their statement.
If their plan is to do nothing, then why talk about the "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys at all?
Because it gets people to act like they are making a difference. It's good marketing and they know that they can say things like this and through standard marketing principles that people will take what they actually said, twist it to mean something sensible, and will run with it claiming that they said things that they didn't. It's the exact same marketing trick we talk about all the time and you demonstrated why it is so effective. They said one thing that commits them to zero real action, and you've given them all kinds of credit for "meaning" something that would actually be good. Mission accomplished.
No, mission not accomplished, ...
Yes, it is. They got you to repeat what they didn't say and defend their lack of actions. You proved the value of what they did. They wanted to do nothing, but get credit for it. You gave them credit when they committed to absolutely nothing.
I'm not defending lack of actions.. where would anyone do that?
But you did. Go back and read how you wrote that obviously they were meaning to actually do something when they claimed nothing of the sort. That's a form of defending the lack of actions. They got you to repeat something that makes people think good things about them that they themselves didn't say or even imply.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I'm not sure of any mission at all, assuming what you're saying is correct, what was their actual mission? just to get people to shut up today. If that's the case, I suppose it might be accomplished.
Of course that's their mission. They get people to stop complaining, they get people to repeat that the government is going to do something good, and no one can complain later when they don't. They win in every way.
Well, I didn't take away from that article that anything was happening other than banter... and banter that I consider to be almost completely worthless.
The gov't is trying to kill encryption, yet they want to talk about using "modern cryptographic identifier," like public and private keys.
They are talking out both sides of their mouth.. so I know they are just babbling to no avial. -
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@black3dynamite said in Non-IT News Thread:
Interesting since SS# specifically are not an ID at all.
Yet they're used as such all the time.... because people are dumb and ignore what said items actual use is supposed to be fore.
it's not the people.. its the companies the people are doing business with that are basically forcing the use of SSN#.
Which will be unaffected by the fake change proposed.
What were they proposing that we move to?
Not using SSN as the national ID. Which we don't do currently. So they are proposing "no change."
That's over stating it. It's correct to say it's not a national ID, the federal government doesn't recognize it as a national ID, but MANY institutions do use it as a primary basis of identification of a person.
It's not overstating it. It is stating it exactly correctly. You are tacking on a red herring. Yes, many companies use it as a broken ID, but what does that have to do with the price of milk? That's not what the government was discussing.
Sure it is, they are just using the wrong words - they are talking about it incorrectly, but that is their goal.
Businesses have glomed onto this thing called a SSN# and have decided to use it as a unique person identifier. It has become a defacto national ID.
it would be more accurate for these people to say - since business has adobted our SSN# as a defacto national ID, and clearly this is a bad thing, we need to kill the SSN# system and move to something else that the business industry can glom onto, and this time we'll think about it and find something that hopefully will be a more secure solution.
This quote from you, right here. This is where they got you to defend them. They made a claim of inaction, you came back and decided that they actually had a good goal. This is what I mean by you defending them. They say they will do nothing, you say that they intend to do good things that they never said that they would do.
