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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      Just a tad scary here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

        Just a tad scary here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

        The scariest part is the probable use of lawyers saying that being a criminal is genetic.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:

          @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

          Just a tad scary here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

          The scariest part is the probable use of lawyers saying that being a criminal is genetic.

          Yup. The idea that you are guilty by being born rather than by your actions.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

            @Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:

            @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

            Just a tad scary here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

            The scariest part is the probable use of lawyers saying that being a criminal is genetic.

            Yup. The idea that you are guilty by being born rather than by your actions.

            Lol. I was going the other way, they couldn't be guilty, because they were born - that way.

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            • scottalanmillerS
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              Double posting as this is really where this goes.

              Tropical Storm Otto kills four in Panama
              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-38065520

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              • DanpD
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                Judge Suspends Rule Expanding Overtime for Millions of Workers

                http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/obama-rule-to-expand-overtime-eligibility-is-suspended-by-judge.html?_r=0

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Danp
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                  @Danp said in Non-IT News Thread:

                  Judge Suspends Rule Expanding Overtime for Millions of Workers

                  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/obama-rule-to-expand-overtime-eligibility-is-suspended-by-judge.html

                  That'll save @jason's company a lot of money since all of their IT staff appear to be under $47K. Entry level IT managers everywhere are rejoicing in being able to avoid overtime.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    @Danp said in Non-IT News Thread:

                    Judge Suspends Rule Expanding Overtime for Millions of Workers

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/obama-rule-to-expand-overtime-eligibility-is-suspended-by-judge.html

                    That'll save @jason's company a lot of money since all of their IT staff appear to be under $47K. Entry level IT managers everywhere are rejoicing in being able to avoid overtime.

                    Who exactly does this qualify for?

                    I thought there was a recent change in many businesses who were moving their IT staff out of salaried positions and into hourly because their IT jobs weren't really what qualified for salary-exempt anyway?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver
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                      Not sure if political or not but this is kind of a big deal....

                      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trumps-fcc-advisor-wants-to-eliminate-most-of-the-fcc

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:

                        I thought there was a recent change in many businesses who were moving their IT staff out of salaried positions and into hourly because their IT jobs weren't really what qualified for salary-exempt anyway?

                        No, @jason had said that because he realized that his post had made it obvious that even his managers were below the overtime threshold. IT is not doing that in general. There is a new law, but people should not have been widely affected by it. If anyone was moving salary to hourly because of it, there was a problem before.

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                        • DanpD
                          Danp @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender Same scenario. The judge decided that it was improper for the limit to be raised so high.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Danp
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                            @Danp said in Non-IT News Thread:

                            @Dashrender Same scenario. The judge decided that it was improper for the limit to be raised so high.

                            It was rather high. And why IT is not treated the same as related fields no one knows.

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                              thanksajdotcom @coliver
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                              @coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

                              Not sure if political or not but this is kind of a big deal....

                              http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trumps-fcc-advisor-wants-to-eliminate-most-of-the-fcc

                              Wow, that's terrifying...

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                              • StrongBadS
                                StrongBad @coliver
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                                @coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                Not sure if political or not but this is kind of a big deal....

                                http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trumps-fcc-advisor-wants-to-eliminate-most-of-the-fcc

                                Eliminating the bloat isn't bad. But that's probably not the goal.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @StrongBad
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                                  @StrongBad said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                  @coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                  Not sure if political or not but this is kind of a big deal....

                                  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trumps-fcc-advisor-wants-to-eliminate-most-of-the-fcc

                                  Eliminating the bloat isn't bad. But that's probably not the goal.

                                  right, seems like net non neutrality is the goal.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                    @Danp said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                    @Dashrender Same scenario. The judge decided that it was improper for the limit to be raised so high.

                                    It was rather high. And why IT is not treated the same as related fields no one knows.

                                    Right, I don't understand why non managers non developers (not sure why devs are included) are considered exempt positions?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                      @Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                      @Danp said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                      @Dashrender Same scenario. The judge decided that it was improper for the limit to be raised so high.

                                      It was rather high. And why IT is not treated the same as related fields no one knows.

                                      Right, I don't understand why non managers non developers (not sure why devs are included) are considered exempt positions?

                                      Any engineering position should be exempt in theory. The idea of overtime is really only sensible for positions that are time based, like administration.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        Devs are software engineers, they should totally be exempt.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                          Devs are software engineers, they should totally be exempt.

                                          remind me the reasoning behind that?

                                          That crazy company I mention all the time - West - My friend's team is M-F 8-5. Sometimes they work later, but they aren't expected to be dev'ing outside of work time. Troubleshooting, yes, developing, no.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

                                            Devs are software engineers, they should totally be exempt.

                                            remind me the reasoning behind that?

                                            That they are engineers? They design products, same as any engineer.

                                            Why exempt? Because they are thought workers, white collar professionals. They don't work "by the hour".

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