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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
Mom & Dad homes or dual guardian homes, then it has the potential to be easier, but not necessarily. There are FAR TOO MANY variables at play, and the "Scott's World" ideology of "everyone should be able to be home and school their kids perfectly" just isn't what happens in practice. What "should be" isn't at all and is rarely what "is".
So what I said was many, not all. And the whole school concept disregards all those people who can't work the same schedule as school. Work overnights? Screwed... now you work AND have to deal with your kids at school.
School isn't some silver bullet. The government taking over the care and education of kids isn't a silver bullet. Governments are often exerting this control, people have given in to it because it feels nice to not have as much responsibility or they feel trapped, and society has conformed because it had to. Skip school in this manner, and society will adapt to that new normal. Make school be centralized but online, we'll adapt. Make school be at night, we'll adapt. Different people get benefits or screwed in different scenarios. You are using "people have already adapted" as if school changing wouldn't need to result in jobs changing. But it changed in the twentieth century, and the system is garbage, so why not make people adjust again, but to something actually good?
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Color me not surprised...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/kevin-stitt-oklahoma-governor-coronavirus/index.html
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
Mom & Dad homes or dual guardian homes, then it has the potential to be easier, but not necessarily. There are FAR TOO MANY variables at play, and the "Scott's World" ideology of "everyone should be able to be home and school their kids perfectly" just isn't what happens in practice. What "should be" isn't at all and is rarely what "is".
So what I said was many, not all. And the whole school concept disregards all those people who can't work the same schedule as school. Work overnights? Screwed... now you work AND have to deal with your kids at school.
School isn't some silver bullet. The government taking over the care and education of kids isn't a silver bullet. Governments are often exerting this control, people have given in to it because it feels nice to not have as much responsibility or they feel trapped, and society has conformed because it had to. Skip school in this manner, and society will adapt to that new normal. Make school be centralized but online, we'll adapt. Make school be at night, we'll adapt. Different people get benefits or screwed in different scenarios. You are using "people have already adapted" as if school changing wouldn't need to result in jobs changing. But it changed in the twentieth century, and the system is garbage, so why not make people adjust again, but to something actually good?
solid point - at least I currently think so - how long has the modern school setup been in place? i.e. k-12 go to school m-f 7'ish to 3:30ish?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
solid point - at least I currently think so - how long has the modern school setup been in place? i.e. k-12 go to school m-f 7'ish to 3:30ish?
I think since around the 1930s. It's more recent than you'd think. And it's not universal and still changing. The ages, times, length, purpose, keeps evolving. School today is nothing like when I was a kid, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
solid point - at least I currently think so - how long has the modern school setup been in place? i.e. k-12 go to school m-f 7'ish to 3:30ish?
I think since around the 1930s. It's more recent than you'd think. And it's not universal and still changing. The ages, times, length, purpose, keeps evolving. School today is nothing like when I was a kid, for example.
not really more recent that I would think. I figured it was likely between WWI and WWII, we definitely see the normalcy of it by the 40's, though I can't say I know of any references to the earlier than that. though unrelated, single room schools existed long after this timeframe.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
School today is nothing like when I was a kid, for example.
oh, how is it different for you?
HS for me is pretty much the same. Late'ish Aug - Late'ish May bus pickup between 6 and 7:30, drop off sometime between 3:30 and 5:30.
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Here's what the Granite School District in Utah is doing.
https://www.graniteschools.org/bulletin/steps-for-a-safe-school-year/Steps for a Safe School Year
https://cdn-59bd6cf5f911c923e82ee0ee.closte.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Steps-for-Safe-School.pdf
School Reopening Requirements Template
https://cdn-59bd6cf5f911c923e82ee0ee.closte.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/School-Reopening-Requirements-Template-.pdf -
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
According to the School Reopening Requirements Template document, it depends on the school and parents.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
I personally don't care if it's Covid-19, Flu or the common cold, if you're sick, keep it to yourself/family. The rampant spread of illness is absolutely insane and Covid-19 simply put a spotlight on the issue.
Wash your hands ffs.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
Sure, but probably good that sick kids aren't put into schools anyway. Schools, ignoring COVID19, have always been petri dishes and spread disease in communities like crazy (one of the many reasons I think that they are terrible ideas and always have) and since schools are paid based on attendance, they have long had policies to require kids stay in school when sick. Making all the other kids sick. If we made all the kids stay home when sick, regardless of what it is, it could have a huge positive impact on the school system in general.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Sure, but probably good that sick kids aren't put into schools anyway.
Yeah for sure. But this is all in regards to COVID-19, and since.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Sure, but probably good that sick kids aren't put into schools anyway.
Yeah for sure. But this is all in regards to COVID-19, and since.
In theory, but healthy kids (and teachers) are less likely to get COVID as well. It's a win/win.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
And even if it is Covid-19, most kids won't even notice they have it. They could have a small cough or 1 day of low grade fever. Or no symptoms at all.
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@Fredtx said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
And even if it is Covid-19, most kids won't even notice they have it. They could have a small cough or 1 day of low grade fever. Or no symptoms at all.
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-records-first-child-death-from-covid-19/
Death is a non-symptom, for sure.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Fredtx said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
And even if it is Covid-19, most kids won't even notice they have it. They could have a small cough or 1 day of low grade fever. Or no symptoms at all.
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-records-first-child-death-from-covid-19/
Death is a non-symptom, for sure.
Very important fact written on this article.
"A 13-year-old girl with an autoimmune disease living with her family on post at Ft. Still in Lawton is the first child to have died from COVID-19 in Oklahoma. "
One can question if she would have still passed if she contracted another sickness due to the underlining disease she already had. I know my friend was infected, and his 9 year old daughter had low grade fever for 1 day, and that was it. His other 2 kids who are bubble gum with his daughter didn't have anything, which means they were either asymptomatic or didn't even get infected.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Fredtx said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@black3dynamite sick students must stay home.... how do they determine who is sick? Testing is not free, at least not here. Who is determining if they are sick?
The thing is, of your kids are sick, it's most likely not Covid19.
And even if it is Covid-19, most kids won't even notice they have it. They could have a small cough or 1 day of low grade fever. Or no symptoms at all.
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-records-first-child-death-from-covid-19/
Death is a non-symptom, for sure.
You seem super focused on the individual, and not the masses. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's definitely important to look at the big picture too.
If you solely focus on a single death, there would never be an uprising against oppression, etc.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
Death is a non-symptom, for sure.
All illnesses have the random person with non-normal reactions to the illness, that yes, can include death.
We don't shut down everything because an otherwise healthy person dies from the flu.
We don't ban jogging because a healthy person dies while jogging.
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