MySQL on Linux to configure Bunch of Rows in a Table
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@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller I dont want to leave IT.But it is one of the project came to my senior and he gave to solve this
Your senior just "asked you to develop software?" How does he expect you to do that? What if he asked you to write a song or build a car? This isn't something that you are trained to do. Yes, you could learn, but this is a complete change of direction and a lot to learn to do well.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller I dont want to leave IT.But it is one of the project came to my senior and he gave to solve this
Your senior just "asked you to develop software?" How does he expect you to do that? What if he asked you to write a song or build a car? This isn't something that you are trained to do. Yes, you could learn, but this is a complete change of direction and a lot to learn to do well.
Exactly. at my first IT job I had the systems administrator (who wasn't my boss) as mean to replace the Out'n About Sofware by making a custom in house web pages one. My response was "don't be waiting until it happens." while it's normal that IT people are expected to program say some VB.NET/C++ to make small tools. to make full on web applications and desktop applications is not our jobs. Nor something most of us are qualified to do.
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And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
I've currently gone back to school for web development and you are right, they are completely two different jobs. I just completed my first web application and there was a lot of long nights learning and testing to get it up and running.
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Also, thank god for bootstrap.
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@lance I'm the opposite. I'm a software engineer (started in 1989) and didn't do IT at all til 1994 and only a little till 2001. I did development then went to IT. My degrees are all in development (and all after I switched to IT.)
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@scottalanmiller It seems to be an exciting time for web development. There is so much out there.
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@scottalanmiller said:
And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
This seems to be such a common way of thinking... "it has to do with computers so you must be able to do it..." I have been asked on a number of occasions to develop websites or work on marketing/graphics design. When I say that I won't be able to do that because I am not a developer or graphics designer I get looks of incredulity. Could I make a website? Yes, it would look terrible and would have limited functionality though.
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@lance said:
@scottalanmiller It seems to be an exciting time for web development. There is so much out there.
Are you studying Ruby on Rails and Node?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
This seems to be such a common way of thinking... "it has to do with computers so you must be able to do it..." I have been asked on a number of occasions to develop websites or work on marketing/graphics design. When I say that I won't be able to do that because I am not a developer or graphics designer I get looks of incredulity. Could I make a website? Yes, it would look terrible and would have limited functionality though.
Developers get the same thing. "You wrote this script, so you can manage this infrastructure, right?"
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Absolutely, very different disciplines. Different skills, different training, different job responsibilities. There is cross-over, of course, but it is limited.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
This seems to be such a common way of thinking... "it has to do with computers so you must be able to do it..." I have been asked on a number of occasions to develop websites or work on marketing/graphics design. When I say that I won't be able to do that because I am not a developer or graphics designer I get looks of incredulity. Could I make a website? Yes, it would look terrible and would have limited functionality though.
Heck, I do design and I can't even make a good looking website from scratch.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And that's an important thing to mention - almost no one in IT is qualified to do this. He doesn't only mean freshers or juniors. No amount of IT experience prepares you to be a developer. It's a different job, a different range of skills.
This seems to be such a common way of thinking... "it has to do with computers so you must be able to do it..." I have been asked on a number of occasions to develop websites or work on marketing/graphics design. When I say that I won't be able to do that because I am not a developer or graphics designer I get looks of incredulity. Could I make a website? Yes, it would look terrible and would have limited functionality though.
Heck, I do design and I can't even make a good looking website from scratch.
Oh, yes I would totally use something like Wordpress, Joomla, or Concrete5... but still it would look pretty terrible.
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I can do all the technical stuff. I can write PHP, Ruby, Python, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, etc. But no amount of being able to do that lets me make anything that looks good in the least. It's always total crap. Always. Not only is there very little overlap in skills between development and design, but the two are almost always exclusive.
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@scottalanmiller The web application I built was with php and mysql. I looked at ruby on rails and did a little bit with it, but what I'm really interested in is node and MongoDB. I have a MEAN stack spun up on digital ocean that I have been learning with.
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I'm the odd one I guess haha. Actually the only reason I got into technology at all was because growing up we didn't have a lot of money growing up. so to get anything electronic at all it usually came from goodwill. Most of the time it ended up being broken. I'd usually spend a long time on it until I could fix whatever it was. Then eventually people would give me their broken computers. Which at the time was Packard Bells which I guess would have been DOS or some proprietary os. and also Tandy's that read data from normal audio cassette tapes.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I'm the odd one I guess haha.
@DonutDetroyer destroyer is a creative type too that also does IT. But yes, you are both odd
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@lance said:
@scottalanmiller The web application I built was with php and mysql. I looked at ruby on rails and did a little bit with it, but what I'm really interested in is node and MongoDB. I have a MEAN stack spun up on digital ocean that I have been learning with.
I did PHP / MySQL in the old days. Definitely prefer the more modern Ruby and Node mentalities.
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@lance said:
@scottalanmiller The web application I built was with php and mysql. I looked at ruby on rails and did a little bit with it, but what I'm really interested in is node and MongoDB. I have a MEAN stack spun up on digital ocean that I have been learning with.
Quixotic is primarily a MEAN shop now. It is a transition for us as no one came from a MEAN background. @QuixoticAndy is principle engineer and came from a C# background. But we are making the transition and loving the technology.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@lance said:
@scottalanmiller The web application I built was with php and mysql. I looked at ruby on rails and did a little bit with it, but what I'm really interested in is node and MongoDB. I have a MEAN stack spun up on digital ocean that I have been learning with.
I did PHP / MySQL in the old days. Definitely prefer the more modern Ruby and Node mentalities.
Definitely love Ruby and Node. I figured it would be good to have some PHP / MySQL experience because of the amount of jobs in my area.
