Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?
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@StorageNinja said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@Pete-S said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
I think not. The H330 (LSI SAS 3008 controller) will push hundreds of thousands of IOPs. The bottleneck will be your SSDs.
The H330 is the crap HBA that has a cut-down queue depth. If memory serves, it's maximum queue depth is equal to a single SAS drive (256 commands). It's still better than the garbage tier H300 from the last generation.
The HBA 330 is the version that has full queue depth.
Note, for high-performance setups, going all NVMe is easier (no need for an HBA).Well, maybe you're mixing up the controllers in your memory. Queue depth on the H330 is 895 compared to 928 on the H730/730P/H830.
Dell did firmware upgrades years ago that increased the queue depths on a number of their cards.The limited queue depth wasn't a controller issue, it was a firmware issue.
The SAS3008 controller on the H330 supports over a million IOPS and can push 6 GB/sec.
You just got to use it for the right thing - striping and mirroring, not parity raid. It doesn't have a XOR hardware engine. -
@StorageNinja said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
Ehhh, be careful here. The PM8xx is the bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices. Samsung in the earlier versions of this series had some... interesting firmware bugs so make sure you patch your drives.
Always good to update the firmware if you're having problems.
I wouldn't call the PM series "bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices". It's their datacenter series for read-intensive workloads. What most workloads are when you use the SSDs as local storage on a VM host. It's going to be running SQL server with 30 users. That's the OPs use case - not as cache for an enterprise storage array.
Of course there are faster and better products but you got to put things in perspective.
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@Pete-S said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@StorageNinja said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
Ehhh, be careful here. The PM8xx is the bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices. Samsung in the earlier versions of this series had some... interesting firmware bugs so make sure you patch your drives.
Always good to update the firmware if you're having problems.
I wouldn't call the PM series "bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices". It's their datacenter series for read-intensive workloads. What most workloads are when you use the SSDs as local storage on a VM host. It's going to be running SQL server with 30 users. That's the OPs use case - not as cache for an enterprise storage array.
Of course there are faster and better products but you got to put things in perspective.
I was wondering that too - slow SSDs are likely still lightyears faster than HDDs. no?
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@Dashrender said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@Pete-S said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@StorageNinja said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
Ehhh, be careful here. The PM8xx is the bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices. Samsung in the earlier versions of this series had some... interesting firmware bugs so make sure you patch your drives.
Always good to update the firmware if you're having problems.
I wouldn't call the PM series "bargain basement cheap Samsung SATA devices". It's their datacenter series for read-intensive workloads. What most workloads are when you use the SSDs as local storage on a VM host. It's going to be running SQL server with 30 users. That's the OPs use case - not as cache for an enterprise storage array.
Of course there are faster and better products but you got to put things in perspective.
I was wondering that too - slow SSDs are likely still lightyears faster than HDDs. no?
Yes, they're much faster, uses less power and have higher reliability than HDDs (if we still are talking about enterprise SSDs).
So "slow" has to be put in perspective. The interfaces have limitations and a lot of SSDs are limited by their interface.
- SATA-3 ~500MB/sec
- SAS-3 ~1GB/sec
- NVMe ~4GB/sec
SAS and NVMe can also be dual ported and have twice the transfer rate above.
NVMe is simply outstanding. And the drives themselves are roughly the same price as SAS for comparable models. -
@Pete-S
NVMe is simply outstanding. And the drives themselves are roughly the same price as SAS for >comparable models.
I wish there were more choices for whiteboxed servers as far as NVMe goes. I've not found any prosumer motherboards that support dual M.2 22110 and there are virtually no choices at all for U.2 unless going with a vendor (e.g. Dell, HPE, etc...)
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@biggen said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
I wish there were more choices for whiteboxed servers as far as NVMe goes. I've not found any prosumer motherboards
The issue here is trying to use prosumer instead of enterprise. This is one of those places where consumer and enterprise will never overlap. Whitebox has no issue with that stuff, but consumer (which prosumer is a part of) does. If you whitebox with enterprise gear, you'll find this in abundance.
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@scottalanmiller Just not as commonplace to find enterprise gear to whitebox with. Where are you looking for enterprise motherboards?
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@biggen said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@scottalanmiller Just not as commonplace to find enterprise gear to whitebox with. Where are you looking for enterprise motherboards?
Supermicro
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@black3dynamite said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@biggen said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@scottalanmiller Just not as commonplace to find enterprise gear to whitebox with. Where are you looking for enterprise motherboards?
Supermicro
And Tyan, Gigabyte, Intel etc. Goto newegg and look under server motherboards. Maybe you can find suppliers on ebay and amazon as well.
Vendors that have enterprise stuff are not always selling directly to consumers. Consumers requires a lot of support and hand holding, while system integrators who are their usual customers are suppose to know what they are doing.
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@black3dynamite said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@biggen said in Dell PERC H740 with SSDs?:
@scottalanmiller Just not as commonplace to find enterprise gear to whitebox with. Where are you looking for enterprise motherboards?
Supermicro
These are definitely the 800lb gorillas of enterprise whiteboxing.
