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@JaredBusch Unfortunately at this time scale is out of the budget at the moment so I have to look at other technologies to keep things afloat
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@mroth911 said in Nodeweaver:
@JaredBusch Unfortunately at this time scale is out of the budget at the moment so I have to look at other technologies to keep things afloat
I'm guessing that's why a question like your is most often asked - budget.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
@mroth911 said in Nodeweaver:
I honestly don't know the answer to this question yet. I installed it. was very straight forward, Mixes and matches hardware, auto load balancing hot swap drives. So your telling me I can build promos with lizard fs
Right, you could build all this without Nodeweaver. Not to knock on NW, I'm sure that they are fine. But like FreeNAS, it's unclear what they are adding to the existing capabilities we already choose not to use normally.
Not really. Libvirt doesn't have the ability natively to automatically fail over between systems. You'll have to set up corosync/pacemaker or keepalived, something along those lines. Out of the box you can transfer VMs as long as they share storage, but it doesn't auto fail over. It also doesn't have a feature complete web UI yet. You can't spin up certain systems in a specific order (which was mentioned) and is important for some legacy applications. Libvirt definitely does not auto balance like mentioned before either, you would have to write that yourself. You also don't have a shared network between hosts either. You would have to manually set that up as well. Then you have to maintain all of that on top of maintaining the guests.
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So for 3 hosts, that's $4,800. If you make $25 that's 24 days. You will have more time (money) learning how to do that, setting it up, and tuning it and less features than you would just buying this and using it out of the box.
You CAN do everything SCALE does too, but you're dumb if you don't just buy it.
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@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
Not really. Libvirt doesn't have the ability natively to automatically fail over between systems.
Sure, but I wasn't referring to Libvirt
Proxmox does that. Granted, using the tech you mention, but it's all done for you. I believe Nodeweaver is probably using that tech, too.
You can do it, for free, you just have to pick which tech you use.
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@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
So for 3 hosts, that's $4,800. If you make $25 that's 24 days. You will have more time (money) learning how to do that, setting it up, and tuning it and less features than you would just buying this and using it out of the box.
But $4,800 compared to something like Proxmox. Adding LizardFS manually can't be much time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
Not really. Libvirt doesn't have the ability natively to automatically fail over between systems.
Sure, but I wasn't referring to Libvirt
Proxmox does that. Granted, using the tech you mention, but it's all done for you. I believe Nodeweaver is probably using that tech, too.
You can do it, for free, you just have to pick which tech you use.
Yes you were.
Other than a unified interface to it, what does this give me that free Ubuntu or Fedora doesn't?
Those use libvirt. You didn't mentioned ProxMox in this regard until right now to move the goal posts.
I'm sure ProxMox wrote their own implementations since they aren't using libvirt. However it's still not just plug a box in and you have a hyperconverged setup like Nodeweaver or SCALE.
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@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
Those use libvirt. You didn't mentioned ProxMox in this regard until right now to move the goal posts.
@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
And if you think this is acceptable, why not use ProxMox that does the same thing and people know way better and has already been discussed?
In my first post I mention Proxmox. I've been discussing it as one of the options since the opening statement.
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@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
However it's still not just plug a box in and you have a hyperconverged setup like Nodeweaver or SCALE.
Neither is Nodeweaver in this case. he's not talking about buying appliances, he's talking about installing software. So far more like Proxmox than dislike it.
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@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
Yes you were.
No, that's just false. You want me to be wrong, so you decided I have to be referring to something that I didn't mention that doesn't do it, even though there is something I mentioned already that does do it. Obviously I didn't say that all tech does it.
You took a post out of context that was totally unrelated where I had asked about Ubuntu and Fedora, and then applied it elsewhere.
Yes, those two use libvirt. But that was in reference to a specific statement, and immediately followed by comments about Proxmox doing this.
The thing you are then quoted here was related to Proxmox (and other options), not libvirt. You are cherry picking statements out of context to try to make it look like nothing else was discussed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
If it is LizardFS that you like, they have Proxmox integration...
Immediately following the "what does this give me" post, I point out that Proxmox integrates with LizardFS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
Yes you were.
No, that's just false. You want me to be wrong, so you decided I have to be referring to something that I didn't mention that doesn't do it, even though there is something I mentioned already that does do it. Obviously I didn't say that all tech does it.
You took a post out of context that was totally unrelated where I had asked about Ubuntu and Fedora, and then applied it elsewhere.
Yes, those two use libvirt. But that was in reference to a specific statement, and immediately followed by comments about Proxmox doing this.
The thing you are then quoted here was related to Proxmox (and other options), not libvirt. You are cherry picking statements out of context to try to make it look like nothing else was discussed.
No. Let me quote you again:
Other than a unified interface to it, what does this give me that free Ubuntu or Fedora doesn't?
You said that in response to this:
I am in the process of installing it and giving it a try. The demo seems very good. A lot different then scale, you can map to local storage. Create virtual networks within the cluster, spin up certain application and have them load in a certain order. I would take a look at it and see try the demo.
Fedora/Ubuntu only ship with libvirt, which offers none of that (other than local storage), which is what I was saying. I said you didn't mention ProxMox in this regard until now. And as far as I know, ProxMox still does not offer specific application startup like vApp (and Nodeweaver).
edit: added the other than local storage because they obviously do have that
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
@stacksofplates said in Nodeweaver:
However it's still not just plug a box in and you have a hyperconverged setup like Nodeweaver or SCALE.
Neither is Nodeweaver in this case. he's not talking about buying appliances, he's talking about installing software. So far more like Proxmox than dislike it.
No it offers auto load balancing of the host once the application is installed. So it's more like SCALE. I've been through a SCALE setup, it's not autodiscovery. You still need to tell it where the other hosts are even though the software is already installed.
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@stacksofplates I have it installs and I was able to migrate my vm's from scale to this system. Seems very good and fast too. I like that you can mix and match hardware and it automatically levels off the diskspace. There are option to auto balance vm's. There are a lot more features then scale. The UI of scale is more user friendly.
You can create virtual networks inside the software. Create vlan, virtual switches without touch any of your networking equipment. Create templates based off your imports. That's what I got so far. I exported my Nextcloud server and imported it to Nodeweaver. Boots fast loads fast.
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@mroth911 said in Nodeweaver:
@stacksofplates I have it installs and I was able to migrate my vm's from scale to this system. Seems very good and fast too. I like that you can mix and match hardware and it automatically levels off the diskspace. There are option to auto balance vm's. There are a lot more features then scale. The UI of scale is more user friendly.
You can create virtual networks inside the software. Create vlan, virtual switches without touch any of your networking equipment. Create templates based off your imports. That's what I got so far. I exported my Nextcloud server and imported it to Nodeweaver. Boots fast loads fast.
Can you unattach and reattach disks to VMs? That was a huge disappointment I had with Scale.
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Yes you can. You don't have to reboot the VM. You can create Virtual Networks with one Gateway. There are a lot of option in this software that scale doesn't have. The main thing is that I can manage it. Every little thing I don't need to call them. I might sell my scale system. IDK .. its from 2016. Don't know what it's worth.
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Found out Nodeweaver data structure is a fork off of Moose !
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@mroth911 said in Nodeweaver:
Found out Nodeweaver data structure is a fork off of Moose !
By "found out", you mean I mentioned it a few times above, lol.
Moose is commercial, LizardFS is the fork off of it. Nodeweaver publicly says that they use LizardFS. That's why I keep asking how this is better than using Proxmox with LizardFS which is completely free and fully documented.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nodeweaver:
Ah, they've updated stuff. This is what their site says: "NodeWeaver takes advantage of an extremely sophisticated and flexible storage layer, based largely on the LizardFS distributed filesystem, and capable of performing reliably and in an extremely efficient way even for small number of nodes and disk drives."
You can always do LizardFS yourself for free, just like Gluster or CEPH.
Here is the original spot where I quoted them saying that they were using LizardFS (a Moose fork).
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I am going to setup Proxmox tonight with LizardFs and see what the big deal is with nodeweaver and see how it functions. I will write down documentation if need be so I can share it if others what to do it.
