Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
How would he even license this?
As long as one of the Windows 10 copies is retail rather than OEM or he gets two OEMs for the same hardware...
You're incorrect here - Windows 10 OEM License Terms and Windows 10 Retail License Terms
2. Installation and Use Rights. a. License. The software is licensed, not sold. Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the software.Both state the same terms and conditions. Each instance needs to have it's own license.
Thats what i said.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
As long as one of the Windows 10 copies is retail rather than OEM or he gets two OEMs for the same hardware...
What? No you said that so long as 1 of the licenses is Retail that the Owner of that Retail license gets two instances of Windows 10 Retail (on the same hardware) and the licenses both very clearly disagree with you.
If you want to run two copies of Windows 10 Retail (or OEM) on the same hardware, you need to have two distinct product keys (and licenses).
I've very clearly lined this up across a matter of very few posts above.
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Another option.... avoid licensing issues by using a single OS install and making two user profiles instead.
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
As long as one of the Windows 10 copies is retail rather than OEM or he gets two OEMs for the same hardware...
What? No you said that so long as 1 of the licenses is Retail that the Owner of that Retail license gets two instances of Windows 10 Retail (on the same hardware) and the licenses both very clearly disagree with you.
If you want to run two copies of Windows 10 Retail (or OEM) on the same hardware, you need to have two distinct product keys (and licenses).
I've very clearly lined this up across a matter of very few posts above.
No.... I was saying that you either needed two OEMs tied to the same hardware or a retail copy that is added to an already OEMd hardware
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
As long as one of the Windows 10 copies is retail rather than OEM or he gets two OEMs for the same hardware...
What? No you said that so long as 1 of the licenses is Retail that the Owner of that Retail license gets two instances of Windows 10 Retail (on the same hardware) and the licenses both very clearly disagree with you.
If you want to run two copies of Windows 10 Retail (or OEM) on the same hardware, you need to have two distinct product keys (and licenses).
I've very clearly lined this up across a matter of very few posts above.
No.... I was saying that you either needed two OEMs tied to the same hardware or a retail copy that is added to an already OEMd hardware
Speaking in a very general stance, a normal person isn't supposed to purchase OEM license for installation. Even on a system they are building for themselves.
OEM licensing is meant to be reserved for businesses that build and sell computers to consumers and are not the End User of said workstation (themselves - the business).
You're still wrong, the only way to do this legitimately would be to purchase a RETAIL key and apply that additional key to ANY Key that is already assigned to an individual computer.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Another option.... avoid licensing issues by using a single OS install and making two user profiles instead.
I already said that
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Another option.... avoid licensing issues by using a single OS install and making two user profiles instead.
As @IRJ said. . .
@IRJ said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Another option.... avoid licensing issues by using a single OS install and making two user profiles instead.
I already said that
And this would likely only work in the case that the Client simply wants to consolidate their hardware and doesn't have a bunch of software that needs to come with it. As I mentioned above.
We need more details from @CCWTech to figure this out.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Another option.... avoid licensing issues by using a single OS install and making two user profiles instead.
I cant think of many scenarios where this isnt the answer.
If they had some valid reason why they couldnt just install the tools the need on one installation, then I think virtualization is the only try solution. Dual boot causes so many issues, because it isnt manageable on the network. Another huge disadvantage of dual boot is a loss in productivity. You have to run updates on two devices and dual booted system cannot run updates when it isnt booted.
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@IRJ said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
If they had some valid reason why they couldnt just install the tools the need on one installation,
I've dealt with software that is bound of the serial of the CPU it's originally installed with/on in the past which would make this nearly impossible to move without involving the software vendor (but maybe you could go the other way with it).
In any case, there are valid reasons to need multiple installations accessible from a single footprint. (it's a benefit of virtualization and or dual-booting today).
But we're just speculating at this point.
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@IRJ said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
If they had some valid reason why they couldnt just install the tools the need on one installation,
I've dealt with software that is bound of the serial of the CPU it's originally installed with/on in the past which would make this nearly impossible to move without involving the software vendor (but maybe you could go the other way with it).
In any case, there are valid reasons to need multiple installations accessible from a single footprint. (it's a benefit of virtualization and or dual-booting today).
But we're just speculating at this point.
Yeah I agree about virtualization, but I can't see a valid use case for dual boot with all the negatives it provides
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@IRJ Yeah I would agree, virtualizing one installation and running it as a VM on the other's hardware would likely make the most sense.
But it will take more time to complete and setup, compared to the alternative(s).
It's just a matter of what the client is really looking for and how much they are willing to spend.
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@IRJ said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
but I can't see a valid use case for dual boot with all the negatives it provides
The use case is almost moot at this point.
All we know is the client wants to run two existing installations of Windows 10 on a single workstation and apparently is comfortable enough to use a Boot loader to dual boot.
What's the most cost efficient means to completing this?
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
You're still wrong, the only way to do this legitimately would be to purchase a RETAIL key and apply that additional key to ANY Key that is already assigned to an individual computer.
I'm not aware of there being a limitation to having many OEMs purchased for a single motherboard. Because OEM can be purchased for any piece of hardware, you can get one for a drive, one for RAM, one for CPU, etc. So you can have one copy for each piece of purchased hardware. But this requires you to be the whitebox builder and purchase each OEM license at the time that you purchase each system component.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
You're still wrong, the only way to do this legitimately would be to purchase a RETAIL key and apply that additional key to ANY Key that is already assigned to an individual computer.
I'm not aware of there being a limitation to having many OEMs purchased for a single motherboard. Because OEM can be purchased for any piece of hardware, you can get one for a drive, one for RAM, one for CPU, etc. So you can have one copy for each piece of purchased hardware. But this requires you to be the whitebox builder and purchase each OEM license at the time that you purchase each system component.
Right, but since this box isn't a whitebox (they are existing systems) OEM keys aren't legally an option for purchase according to the license from MS.
Retail product keys are the only option to do this with the hardware that exists today.
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Right, but since this box isn't a whitebox (they are existing systems) OEM keys aren't legally an option for purchase according to the license from MS.
It's not a white box? I don't know that the NEW box isn't a white box. Did I miss that it is pre-built?
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Retail product keys are the only option to do this with the hardware that exists today.
If it is existing hardware, then yes, OEM is already out of the question.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Right, but since this box isn't a whitebox (they are existing systems) OEM keys aren't legally an option for purchase according to the license from MS.
It's not a white box? I don't know that the NEW box isn't a white box. Did I miss that it is pre-built?
All of the equipment is existing, the client wants to consolidate as far as the OP has described.
That would mean the boxes are used, and not white. An additional retail license would be required in any scenario we could propose.
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
Right, but since this box isn't a whitebox (they are existing systems) OEM keys aren't legally an option for purchase according to the license from MS.
It's not a white box? I don't know that the NEW box isn't a white box. Did I miss that it is pre-built?
All of the equipment is existing, the client wants to consolidate as far as the OP has described.
That would mean the boxes are used, and not white. An additional retail license would be required in any scenario we could propose.
OIC, I was thinking wrongly that they had one PC and were going to deal with a second one that might not exist yet. Yeah, if they already have it, no OEM.
The bigger issue is that the old one is almost certainly already OEM'd and can't be moved.
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@scottalanmiller said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
The bigger issue is that the old one is almost certainly already OEM'd and can't be moved
This is the part that I have questions with. If you purchase a Retail key and "build a new system" and reactivate Windows, would microsoft really lock that installation to that original equipment?
I think it would be allowed to move, since you are moving from an OEM key to a Retail key in good faith and following through with the activation process.
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@DustinB3403 said in Joining 2 Windows 10 Machines:
This is the part that I have questions with. If you purchase a Retail key and "build a new system" and reactivate Windows, would microsoft really lock that installation to that original equipment?
You mean if you buy a "second" license for the original install so that the OEM license is replaced by a Retail license? I'm 90% sure that MS would be perfectly happy with that arrangement (as they make a shit ton on that one install.)
