PoE powered lighting
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
I've just been reading up on all the wonders of PoE powered lighting and I was just wondering if anyone here has had to deal with these installations before. What are your experiences? Are they worth the pricing with new buildings?
I haven't dealt with them directly, but I've talked to a few people at my current place of employment where they've been installed on a few buildings. The non scientific conclusion is that they don't actually save much money since they just move everything back to the switch rather than at each light. This was a general impression by those who install and manage them, not the people who pay for them.
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
I've just been reading up on all the wonders of PoE powered lighting and I was just wondering if anyone here has had to deal with these installations before. What are your experiences? Are they worth the pricing with new buildings?
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
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First you have to decide what problem you are trying to tackle. Pushing DC from the IT infrastructure doesn't make a lot of sense unless there is more to it.
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Phones, APs, things like this that IT manages, it can make sense for IT to also push the power. It reduces cables.
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@Kelly Just out of curiosity, were those people in IT or electrical/maintenance? It would be interesting to see what department would pay for what when things go wrong.
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@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Well, what you can power with PoE rarely means you should. I can power just about anything, doesn't always make it a good idea.
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Only 1 of the Ubiquiti models gets power from PoE. The other 2 models get commercial power to the first panel and then daisy-chain from there.
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@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Well, what you can power with PoE rarely means you should. I can power just about anything, doesn't always make it a good idea.
Oh for sure. But who knows, this technology looks kinda promising. Maybe in 10 years it'll be worth it.
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Well, what you can power with PoE rarely means you should. I can power just about anything, doesn't always make it a good idea.
Oh for sure. But who knows, this technology looks kinda promising. Maybe in 10 years it'll be worth it.
What's the "worth it", in this case? What factor of it makes it even interesting?
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
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@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Well, what you can power with PoE rarely means you should. I can power just about anything, doesn't always make it a good idea.
Oh for sure. But who knows, this technology looks kinda promising. Maybe in 10 years it'll be worth it.
What's the "worth it", in this case? What factor of it makes it even interesting?
I'll call you in 10 years.
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@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
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@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
Yeah, even then I'm not sure why you need remote access to the lights. Annoying pranks.
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@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
The only reason is if your network wiring installers cost much less money than the certified electricians. I know that NYC, LA and San Francisco are like this, but most areas of the country aren't.
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@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
Also, it's just funny to think of IT being in charge of the lights.
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@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
The only reason is if your network wiring installers cost much less money than the certified electricians. I know that NYC, LA and San Francisco are like this, but most areas of the country aren't.
But again, who is this for? This really isn't a consumer play, I wouldn't think. Prosumer maybe, and it's just crazy for business - so again, I ask who is they really for?
I don't have any drop ceilings in my house - though I suppose I could in my basement - but wouldn't I have power run to lights when the ceiling was installed in the first place? At which point, even those crazy expensive places for AC power installers (electricians) is likely less (and definitely more reliable and less error prone) expensive than low voltage install and POE switch, etc.
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@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
Right, if I wanted DC power, there are way better ways to do this.
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@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
Right, if you were using them as data devices... that's different.
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@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@Dashrender said in PoE powered lighting:
@scottalanmiller said in PoE powered lighting:
@Markferron said in PoE powered lighting:
@travisdh1 said in PoE powered lighting:
I haven't dealt with it myself, but Ubiquiti makes one that is priced close to what you'll pay for normal lighting. The big difference is that you're not paying an electrician to wire the things in, "just" network cable installers. Which can be a big difference in certain areas of the country.
I'm curious to see how far the PoE industry will go. It'll be cool to see in 10 years what the average person can power over PoE.
Why? What's the reason for wanting that? You can basically power any super low voltage DC device with it today. And that's handy for data devices where that reduces a cable since it needs a connection to the switch anyway. Other than that, sounds not just boring, but just bad.
I'm kinda in the same boat - why do I want my lights tied into my switches costing me money on ethernet ports? Why not just have those lights tied directly into AC power?
I mean remote access to control the lights, sure I get that - but giving them power via POE? why?
Also, it's just funny to think of IT being in charge of the lights.
A bit, yeah.
