Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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@JaredBusch - Right. That was my point.
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@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
One product doesn't not imply the lack of another. He could use B2, AWS, Microsoft or any other number of blob storage providers to store a copy of his backups offsite.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
One product doesn't not imply the lack of another. He could use B2, AWS, Microsoft or any other number of blob storage providers to store a copy of his backups offsite.
Was not implying anything. Was just curious.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
Tape
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@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
Tape
Do you have a service that transports and stores tapes off site? Or are you transporting them internally to another branch/remote location?
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Is anyone using Unitrends to backup their infrastructure? I'm currently using Carbonite Business (formerly Evault). Carbonite has served me well overall, but it's expensive. My contract with Carbonite expires in a few months and I was researching other vendors. I looked at Veeam and Unitrends. Initially, Unitrends was going to be out of my price range, but they are now offering me free hardware to get me to switch before the end of the year. I'm leaning towards Unitrends now with all the end of the year incentives they are offering me. Anything I need to know about Unitrends, good or bad? If you are using Unitrends now, are you happy? I've gotten some feedback that the entire strategy hinges on the recovery appliance. This could be a problem if their turn around time is lacking to get a new box. I'm being told their is a 24hr turnaround in the event they need to send a new recovery appliance which is reasonable to me.
We did it cheap with Veeam and our own backup repositories using MD1000s... 14x 8TB drives, and some with 14x 4TB drives. It's been working well. Like that for onprem backup.
What are you doing for offsite backup then?
Tape
Do you have a service that transports and stores tapes off site? Or are you transporting them internally to another branch/remote location?
Yes. We use a service that picks up and delivers tape sets on a schedule we set.
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@magicmarker
That's exactly what I wanted to suggest. You can use Veeam to put backups on StarWind VTL which can be uploaded to the cloud according to the retention policy. Check out here: https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-tape-library -
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam -
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeamHere is the install guide. Wow, what a PITA. I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
Well technically.... no tapes involved! lol
But yeah, I feel your pain.
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What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Maybe you mentioned this earlier somewhere in here... but how much total data, and how much incrementally?
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@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Maybe you mentioned this earlier somewhere in here... but how much total data, and how much incrementally?
Total full backup compressed is at 800GB (1.5TB non compressed). Still trying to get good idea of the incremental since I just setup the backup job on Friday. Right now the incremental is at 12-15GB.
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Ah, looks like this was already mentioned.
@SanWIN said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker
That's exactly what I wanted to suggest. You can use Veeam to put backups on StarWind VTL which can be uploaded to the cloud according to the retention policy. Check out here: https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-tape-libraryBut if you have your backups backed up via Veeam in a Veeam Backup Repository, this is what you're stuck with... somethign like this.
Otherwise, you're stuck downloading 1.5 TB or whatever if you need to restore a single file for example.
I mean, that's not the end of the world.. on-prem backups are for quick restores, off-prem like tape can be for disaster recovery.
If a server screws up, restore it from the local Veeam repo on your SAM-SD. If you lose the building in an earthquake, or lose a server + your Veeam Repo, then perhaps the longer time to restore is acceptable.
I didn't catch your bandwidth limitations, but 1.5 TB @ 100 mbps is 31.7 hours for each full backup done or each full backup change (w/o block change tracking).
If the daily/weekly/etc. incremental changes done are less than 400 GB, they can be set to upload every night/week/etc.
The virtual tape stuff actually makes it pretty easy. I know this because I'm doing it with real tapes, and I can only wish it was virtual.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeamHere is the install guide. Wow, what a PITA. I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
This is how complex it is to NOT have tapes.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
The only means of getting away from the super high cost options is Starwind VTL.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeamHere is the install guide. Wow, what a PITA. I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
This is how complex it is to NOT have tapes.
Yeah it's double the tape-adding, but IMO is still better than dealing with a ton of physical tapes and a single tape drive!
