With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse
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Granted it may only be $60/year but that is still an added expense when there are alternative options that have no such expense.
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Add on top of that, that there could be software restrictions in place as well, limiting what you can do with your hypervisor(s). It adds things into the "Cons" column.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase. -
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
Actually, each version of Hyper-V will go EOL and not have security updates forever. So there will come a time you need to upgrade and that will require a current license.
It all comes down to pay to play or leave. Sucks but it is reality.
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@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
Actually, each version of Hyper-V will go EOL and not have security updates forever. So there will come a time you need to upgrade and that will require a current license.
It all comes down to pay to play or leave. Sucks but it is reality.
. . . Yeah and ESXi also goes EoL. That isn't what we were discussing. We were discussing get security updates for the life of the product.
ffs. . . now I need coffee thanks for raising my blood pressure. You Jared wanna-be.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
Actually, each version of Hyper-V will go EOL and not have security updates forever. So there will come a time you need to upgrade and that will require a current license.
It all comes down to pay to play or leave. Sucks but it is reality.
. . . Yeah and ESXi also goes EoL. That isn't what we were discussing. We were discussing get security updates for the life of the product.
ffs. . . now I need coffee thanks for raising my blood pressure. You Jared wanna-be.
Don't get upset with me for VMware's Terms of Service. I didn't create them.
BTW, Jared is in a league of his own.
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@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
Actually, each version of Hyper-V will go EOL and not have security updates forever. So there will come a time you need to upgrade and that will require a current license.
It all comes down to pay to play or leave. Sucks but it is reality.
. . . Yeah and ESXi also goes EoL. That isn't what we were discussing. We were discussing get security updates for the life of the product.
ffs. . . now I need coffee thanks for raising my blood pressure. You Jared wanna-be.
Don't get upset with me for VMware's Terms of Service. I didn't create them.
Everything goes EoL at some point, so there is no logical reason to think that anyone or any platform would provide security and bug fixes forever. It's why new releases are made "regularly".
Bringing up that "each version of Hyper-V will go EoL" is like bringing up that "everyone on the planet will die eventually" It's a known truth that, while obvious serves no purpose to the conversation.
Bringing it into the conversation does nothing but irritate the people having the conversation because there is no rational to bringing it up in the first place.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
I believe that is why software updates is only $60 per year. That is dirt cheap considering it is ESXi.
Dirt cheap would be $0/year forever like with XCP-ng and KVM.
True dat!
But VMWare isn't opensource and we knew that before the purchase.Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever. Open source isn't really a factor there.
Actually, each version of Hyper-V will go EOL and not have security updates forever. So there will come a time you need to upgrade and that will require a current license.
It all comes down to pay to play or leave. Sucks but it is reality.
. . . Yeah and ESXi also goes EoL. That isn't what we were discussing. We were discussing get security updates for the life of the product.
ffs. . . now I need coffee thanks for raising my blood pressure. You Jared wanna-be.
Don't get upset with me for VMware's Terms of Service. I didn't create them.
Everything goes EoL at some point, so there is no logical reason to think that anyone or any platform would provide security and bug fixes forever. It's why new releases are made "regularly".
Bringing up that "each version of Hyper-V will go EoL" is like bringing up that "everyone on the planet will die eventually" It's a known truth that, while obvious serves no purpose to the conversation.
Bringing it into the conversation does nothing but irritate the people having the conversation because there is no rational to bringing it up in the first place.
Ok, I wasn't gonna point this out as I never try to intentionally upset anyone, but now I am gonna be a jerk. You want F'ing semantics,
You said the following:
Hyper-V isn't open source, but has updates for free, forever.
Not true in even the slightest. It does allow you to upgrade. No mention in this thread (as far as I have seen, might have missed it) you understood that you would paying up at EOL without support contract.
Take whatever statement, however you want. I had no intention of upsetting you or anyone else.
At the end of the day, VMware and many other companies do not continue software/security updates after support expiration. RTF EULA and you will have no issue or reason to be upset.
Hopefully the coffee helped and maybe this will too. "If you are distressed by anything external,the pain is not due to the thing itself but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at anytime." --Marcus Aurelius
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@pmoncho free forever for the life of the product should always be assumed when having a conversation on a technical forum. Never would I, nor anyone else reasonable assume that any hardware or software product will last "forever" past the death of the sun and beyond.
Let's get real here, you were playing semantics to upset the conversation or honestly believe that these products will and do last "forever".
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho free forever for the life of the product should always be assumed when having a conversation on a technical forum. Never would I, nor anyone else reasonable assume that any hardware or software product will last "forever" past the death of the sun and beyond.
Let's get real here, you were playing semantics to upset the conversation or honestly believe that these products will and do last "forever".
No. I just made a statement and nothing more. You blew it the heck out of proportion because you thought I was being a jerk (which was not my intention). If it was out of bounds by your estimate. Fine. That's ok and I will retract it. Don't get all upset about it like I was intentionally trying to piss you off.
If there is one thing I have learned, in this thread and every other thread on this board, ASSUME NOTHING! Look at the pissyness it created. All for naught.
Now, just smile, realize that no matter what, if we both want VMWare we have to pay. I agree with you 10000% that it SUCKS. Were on the same side here.
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@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho free forever for the life of the product should always be assumed when having a conversation on a technical forum. Never would I, nor anyone else reasonable assume that any hardware or software product will last "forever" past the death of the sun and beyond.
Let's get real here, you were playing semantics to upset the conversation or honestly believe that these products will and do last "forever".
No. I just made a statement and nothing more. You blew it the heck out of proportion because you thought I was being a jerk (which was not my intention). If it was out of bounds by your estimate. Fine. That's ok and I will retract it. Don't get all upset about it like I was intentionally trying to piss you off.
If there is one thing I have learned, in this thread and every other thread on this board, ASSUME NOTHING! Look at the pissyness it created. All for naught.
Now, just smile, realize that no matter what, if we both want VMWare we have to pay. I agree with you 10000% that it SUCKS. Were on the same side here.
I'll accept that as an apology.
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@DustinB3403
Works for me!! LOL. -
ESXi Essentials is perpetual
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@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
licensee can pay per hour for support if needed.
Looks like I was concerned for a day or two over nothing.
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@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
To me, being in SMB, $850 for 6 years is reasonable. Many of these same clients have no issue paying for Sonicwalls, Fortinet and Watchguard UTM's either and we have had many discussions on the cost of those.
So the question is, because no amount of money is reasonable on its own, what features justify the $850? That a client has no problem paying for other things that they should not in no way justifies other spends. Most of us would consider SonicWall or Fortinet to be normally very bad decisions and perfect examples of how SMBs are easily fooled into wasting money, and we would agree that ESXi should be lumped in with them. But lumped in that they are all generally quite bad decisions.
This is like the budget problem - talking about the money someone can spend rather than what they should spend. As IT pros, we are only concerned with the "should", salespeople are only concerned with the "can".
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
Based on my past findings, if you purchased an Essentials license (this is all I have ever purchased) you do not lose any functions after support expiration. vCenter even keeps working to my knowledge. You no long have software updates and if you want to re-up they will charge a re-up fee along with support fee.
So this part here seems insane, meaning I can't fix security vulnerabilities or bugs ever.
Only insane part is someone spending money in the first place to create that risk. Nothing crazy or even abnormal about it from the vendor side.
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
The price isn't unrealistic in any sense that I can come too, but I'm asking to have the conversation. Which, failing to remain supported, creates some major security concerns.
I'll keep asking this point... based on what value is the price unrealistic?
How is it $850 better than its competition?
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@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@pmoncho removing features may not be an option that can be considered depending on how ESXi is used. So there really is no good answer here. You're forced to pay continuously.
Essentially extorted to pay for functionality and security.
No extortion at all. Absolutely no one has to buy it. Just like a SonicWall going out of support. The desire to be stuck paying for things is something decided up front by the customer, not the vendor.
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@scottalanmiller said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse:
The price isn't unrealistic in any sense that I can come too, but I'm asking to have the conversation. Which, failing to remain supported, creates some major security concerns.
I'll keep asking this point... based on what value is the price unrealistic?
How is it $850 better than its competition?
Price for a platform is dependant on what you get for that price. If I get support and updates for a year for $850 I think that could be well spent money.
But it adds a lot of risk that if I refuse to pay for maintenance that I'm dropped from ever fixing a bug or security vulnerability.
