Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Obsolesce said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Everyone always points to urban results in Asian megacities (where population density is insane) our countries with last mile monopolies allowed (Which the EU countries approach reminds me of their jump on GSM they got, that eventually led to them falling behind as we let the market win things out and LTE is based on CMDA's time slicing tech).
No, lots of people point to rural, poor countries like Romania and Moldova.
Still, way better than the U.S..
Best in the world, overall. It's amazing what they both can do in poor, mostly rural countries (and one of them is partially occupied.) They do better in rural areas than nearly any major metro in the US does. And it isn't just fiber to rural doorstep speeds, their cities rock as well, and they have incredible wireless speeds, too. And all at super low prices.
So what are the differences there? And why are the those places investing?
Is the ISP/telecom gov't controlled? if so, well hell yeah they have a better time getting things done, it's just spend spend spend for those installs - unlike private businesses that are looking to turn a profit (some say gouging, but not necessarily I).
These places/countries are also super small in comparison to the US, I'm curious what a percentage of rural area they have compared to the US?
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@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
that's not true - just look at Vatican City and Monaco - neither of which have any rural ares (at least I don't think Monaco has an rural areas..
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@DustinB3403 said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
Kinda, but not as much as you'd think.
Look at Singapore, for example. Country is tiny, city is huge.
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@Dashrender said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@DustinB3403 said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
that's not true - just look at Vatican City and Monaco - neither of which have any rural ares (at least I don't think Monaco has an rural areas..
There is a garden somewhere you could consider the suburbs.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@DustinB3403 said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
that's not true - just look at Vatican City and Monaco - neither of which have any rural ares (at least I don't think Monaco has an rural areas..
There is a garden somewhere you could consider the suburbs.
LOL - sure suburbs, but not rural.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@DustinB3403 said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender I think the ratio would remain about the same. The size of a country also affects the size of a city that can be in said country. . .
Kinda, but not as much as you'd think.
Look at Singapore, for example. Country is tiny, city is huge.
Even Tokyo. Japan is smaller than California in land mass.
California = 400 km2 and almost 40M people.
Japan = 375 km2 and 130M people.
Tokyo alone has a population of 10m. That is 1/4 of the entirety of California. -
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
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@StorageNinja I live in Waco.
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@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
You do understand that you are the exception that proves the rule, right?
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@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
In your corner of Houston. Where we go in Houston, they can't get stable Internet and the cost is insane.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
In your corner of Houston. Where we go in Houston, they can't get stable Internet and the cost is insane.
When it comes to internet - Nebraska is almost entirely rural.
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@Dashrender said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
In your corner of Houston. Where we go in Houston, they can't get stable Internet and the cost is insane.
When it comes to internet - Nebraska is almost entirely rural.
Even the parts that aren't, are.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@Dashrender said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@StorageNinja said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
Or those who live in an area with AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, or any rural area and get zero of the innovation.
From Houston to rural NY, none of that stuff has existed and zero innovation or competition comes along. It's a rare, very unique market where those innovations have affected anyone for a long time.I have two providers offering me Gigabit service in Houston. As 5G comes online I'll be looking at 3-4 providers with 500Mbps+ Speeds. Waco while not truly rural is is a 5G test site for AT&T.
Modulva is LTE only in major cities. Rural coverage is HSDPA primarily, and for small villages and rural area's, it's xDSL.
The Reality is I can stream 3D 4K video on my existing 120 meg down circuit. Really the draw of the newer stuff for me is lower latency, and distributed service meshes embedded in the network slices.
In your corner of Houston. Where we go in Houston, they can't get stable Internet and the cost is insane.
When it comes to internet - Nebraska is almost entirely rural.
Even the parts that aren't, are.
That was my point
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@jmoore said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@StorageNinja I live in Waco.
Parents live there, I went to school there. You should come down for the Texas Bowl. Baylor should destroy Vandi.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
In your corner of Houston. Where we go in Houston, they can't get stable Internet and the cost is insane.
Houston or Friendswood? The burbs have a few factors.
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NIMBY groups who tend to oppose ugly retransmit boxes.
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Timing is EVERYTHING Burbs have infrastructure that ties to how old they were. Older burbs were built out with older gear. They oddly may have gotten DSLAM's or DSLAM upgrades LONG before the dense, urban area's that are the proper City of Houston (When I moved here, AT&T was Somalian speeds promising 256KB only inside the loop). As a lot of infrastructure gets done on "worst first" basis this explains why beyond raw profit motive (Urban area has denser opportunities and higher median home prices justifying build-out costs for GPON network). It's worth noting the new subdivisions in Katy, new multifamily, new North West build outs are all FTTH. AT&T isn't seriously wasting money or time running copper to new area's.
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Comcast generally is offering 100Mbps plus DOCSIS 3.0 offerings. It's worth noting that TimeWarner Cable left us for dead on shitty DOCSIS 2.0 until Comcast traded them Houston for another city, and rebuilt it all from the ground up for DOCSIS 3. Comcast is a terrible company, but they saved us for an even shittier fate.
5G upgrades are going to cost 250 Billion. LTE+ upgrades are not going to be cheap (What will cover rural areas). We are looking at another 100 Billion in FIber also to backhaul this stuff. This stuff is going to up speeds in core urban area's, and hte LTE+ upgrades should make mobile broadband a realistic alternative for many rural area's.
As of year-end 2016, 92.3% of all Americans have access to fixed terrestrial broadband at speeds of 25 Mbps/3 Mbps.
While this isn't crazy fast, it's more than enough to watch Netflix (5Mbps for an HD stream). It's enough for a Video call (not HD outbound). This should be enough to do an online class (primary focus) and get some educational information. This is the federal governments minimum for subsidies.
I expect when we kill rural telephone mandatory subsidies they will spike it a bit more (and have LTE+ replace it). There's currently no serious business case to rebuild rural and low-density suburbs with FTTH. The money has to come from somewhere so we have two options...
- It comes from taxes, largely of people who live in urban area's that it will not benefit.
- It comes from cost sharing where the costs are pushed onto the services of people who live in urban areas.
Given that the US is becoming more urban, I'd say your best chance is to just... Move closer to civilization. I could have lived out in Friendswood. I could have saved a lot of money. But I bought land, that was in Houston proper and only after verifying that it had connectivity that would meet my requirements.
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League City is over 100,000 people and is the largest city in the county, even bigger than the county namesake. It's not exactly remote.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
League City is over 100,000 people and is the largest city in the county, even bigger than the county namesake. It's not exactly remote.
As stated, population density, not population is one of the main factors.
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@StorageNinja Hoping they win at least!
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@JaredBusch said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
@scottalanmiller said in Ajit Pai wants to raise rural broadband speeds from 10Mbps to 25Mbps:
League City is over 100,000 people and is the largest city in the county, even bigger than the county namesake. It's not exactly remote.
As stated, population density, not population is one of the main factors.
