Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates
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I can't be the only person seeing this. It's on every Windows 10 box I've seen, in every environment. If you open the Windows Update page in settings, it always, no exceptions, says that Windows is up to date. And normally says that it checked just a little bit ago. But if you click "Check Now", it basically always finds updates, often ones that have been available for quite some time - clearly long before (days or weeks) before the supposed "last checked" date.
So what's up? Is the "up to date" just a placebo and is actually fake? Does the auto-update checker program not work? Something is clearly wrong.
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@scottalanmiller I have seen this too. It does not happen all the time though. Sometimes it finds updates and sometimes it does not. It probably is just a placebo to some extent.
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There is also the fake display of progress of updates, the fake download status of updates, the fake installation status of updates. It is always wrong. You also cant scroll down the list of installing updates if the list is long, it just starts from the top of update list every time a fake progress indicator changes a % or goes from initializing, preparing, updating, etc.
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@momurda said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
There is also the fake display of progress of updates, the fake download status of updates, the fake installation status of updates. It is always wrong. You also cant scroll down the list of installing updates if the list is long, it just starts from the top of update list every time a fake progress indicator changes a % or goes from initializing, preparing, updating, etc.
Always fun doing an update on a gold image.
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Yep get this all the time....
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Not happening to me:
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@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
Nobody really knows. I've seen this happen at a number of different places now.
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Here is one just now that said it was up to date, but I forced a check and look what it needs...
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
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If you want to do automatic Windows updates in a similar way to DNF-Automatic for example, I'd load this module:
https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/2d191bcd-3308-4edd-9de2-88dff796b0bc
And then set up a scheduled task to run a script that loads the module and runs
Get-WUInstall. -
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
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@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
PackageKit sometimes show updates that are still available even after using dnf.
Its one of thosednf upgrade --refreshvspkcon refresh && pkcon update. -
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 Always Says Up to Date, But Always Needs Updates:
@obsolesce but are you REALLY up to date?
I'm using WSUS, and there is at least one update I haven't approved of. So as far as it knows, I am fully up to date.
Further down there's an option to search online for updates. I know if I did that it'd find the updates I haven't approved yet.
I always worry that WSUS has these same problems, but hides them because there are more places for things to break, so you really never know what is installed.
It installs everything it's supposed to, and logs the ones that have errors or don't install.
My point is, I don't trust what it says.
What matters is what it says after you click the button.
Why? If it is wrong before you press it, meaning it can't be trusted, what makes it trustworthy after you press the button?
It's like knowing that someone lies to you, but saying you can trust him in "some cases." But... how do you know when he's lying and when you can trust him?
I guess in the same way Fedora GUI says different than cli regarding updates. That is the same and can't be trusted.
Can't be, in Windows it's one thing that is wrong at one time and unknown at another. In Linux there is a master that is correct and an abstracted non-master that I don't use but might keep its own cache. The tool in Linux, dnf, that is the master is consistent. In Windows, the ONE tool that we KNOW is wrong, is the one you are saying you can trust. Totally different.
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I have seen this and I feel this is true, but then again I did just check mine and there were no new updates found.
