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      DustinB3403 @PenguinWrangler
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      @penguinwrangler Divorces are for rich people.

      Everyone else just buys cement boots.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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        @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

        Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

        https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR

        Where did that come from? They have to T&C on the community.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

          Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

          https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR

          Where did that come from? They have to T&C on the community.

          https://pastebin.com/dtpJ8dfG

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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            @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

            @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

            @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

            Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

            https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR

            Where did that come from? They have to T&C on the community.

            https://pastebin.com/dtpJ8dfG

            That's not the community, that's the wrong site.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

              @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

              @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

              @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

              Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

              https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR

              Where did that come from? They have to T&C on the community.

              https://pastebin.com/dtpJ8dfG

              That's not the community, that's the wrong site.

              It specifies at the top that it applies to the community... the site and any subdomain.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce
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                Here's the whole thing: https://pastebin.com/pWmG6J8p

                It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                  @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                  Actually, everything and anything posted by members on there is completely okay to do with whatever you want... you can reproduce, distribute, copy, etc... however you want. THis goes for all user-submitted content (User Content). Everybody agrees to this by posting on there. Here are the actual terms:

                  https://pastebin.com/HaCMSWpR

                  Where did that come from? They have to T&C on the community.

                  https://pastebin.com/dtpJ8dfG

                  That's not the community, that's the wrong site.

                  It specifies at the top that it applies to the community... the site and any subdomain.

                  It can specify that, but it doesn't do it. The community is NOT a subdomain of www. anything, and the community would have to reference it. You can't just hide a T&C off somewhere and act like it applies. That's a totally different site, that doesn't apply to the community.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                    @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                    It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                    Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by Obsolesce

                      @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                      It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                      Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                      Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                      Either way... it either applies or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then they have no ToS and the whole thing is up in the air.

                      But it specifies what it applies to.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                        @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                        Here's the whole thing: https://pastebin.com/pWmG6J8p

                        It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                        Also, at the time of the paperwork in question, the T&C that you provided specifically said that the current T&C could be found elsewhere... and the link went to a 404 page. It had been like that and continued to be for some time. So there was no T&C.

                        Given that the T&C was removed from the community by Tabrez and ownership of the community was given to the community members in 2009, SW doesn't have the authority to publish T&C anyway. There is nothing to prompt anyone to agree to T&C terms since we were relieved of them in 2009. On top of that, that there were none, enforces that none existed or apply.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                          It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                          Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                          Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                          As far as you know. But it isn't on the website in question, and nothing makes you agree to it to use it or informs you about it. It's a random peer domain with no direct association with the community.

                          You can't just go to some OTHER website, and find a T&C, and use that. That was my point.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                            Either way... it either applies or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then they have no ToS and the whole thing is up in the air.

                            But it specifies what it applies to.

                            It can't apply to the community, as it doesn't even claim to. It only applies to subdomains under www, and then only if there is something that informs you of the T&C.

                            The community was given ownership of itself by SW so T&C cannot exist for it because of Tabrez' deal with the community. SW gave up any rights to having a T&C in 2009 - for the community. They can certainly have it for their corporate page or app, those are completely separate things. And that's the one you produced.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                              It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                              Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                              Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                              As far as you know. But it isn't on the website in question, and nothing makes you agree to it to use it or informs you about it. It's a random peer domain with no direct association with the community.

                              You can't just go to some OTHER website, and find a T&C, and use that. That was my point.

                              When you create an account on SW in order to post content, those are the terms listed that you agree to by creating an account.

                              THere is no other way around it, and no other place to get any Terms.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                                Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                                Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                                As far as you know. But it isn't on the website in question, and nothing makes you agree to it to use it or informs you about it. It's a random peer domain with no direct association with the community.

                                You can't just go to some OTHER website, and find a T&C, and use that. That was my point.

                                When you create an account on SW in order to post content, those are the terms listed that you agree to by creating an account.

                                Sure, maybe NEW members are bound by that. By AFTER I created an account, the T&C were removed and control of the community handed to the community members. So anything agreed to before that was wiped clean. So there is no such agreement in place.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                  @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                  THere is no other way around it, and no other place to get any Terms.

                                  Correct, and as those terms were removed by SW, it's "term free".

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                    It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                                    Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                                    Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                                    As far as you know. But it isn't on the website in question, and nothing makes you agree to it to use it or informs you about it. It's a random peer domain with no direct association with the community.

                                    You can't just go to some OTHER website, and find a T&C, and use that. That was my point.

                                    When you create an account on SW in order to post content, those are the terms listed that you agree to by creating an account.

                                    Sure, maybe NEW members are bound by that. By AFTER I created an account, the T&C were removed and control of the community handed to the community members. So anything agreed to before that was wiped clean. So there is no such agreement in place.

                                    Okay, so if there are not T&C, what laws/rules apply?

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce
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                                      Is it free for all? Do any copyright laws apply when there are no terms and conditions to agree to?

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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce
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                                        The only Terms I can find on SW, allow any and all use of "User Content" however anybody wants.

                                        If those terms do not apply, then what does apply?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                          It says in the top paragraph what the terms apply to.

                                          Why then don't we post a new T&C here on ML and claim that it applies to the SW community?

                                          Because you can't do that on behalf of an entity you don't own. As far as I know, SW owns the SW community.

                                          As far as you know. But it isn't on the website in question, and nothing makes you agree to it to use it or informs you about it. It's a random peer domain with no direct association with the community.

                                          You can't just go to some OTHER website, and find a T&C, and use that. That was my point.

                                          When you create an account on SW in order to post content, those are the terms listed that you agree to by creating an account.

                                          Sure, maybe NEW members are bound by that. By AFTER I created an account, the T&C were removed and control of the community handed to the community members. So anything agreed to before that was wiped clean. So there is no such agreement in place.

                                          Okay, so if there are not T&C, what laws/rules apply?

                                          Just the generic ones.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                            @tim_g said in Copying Content from other sources:

                                            Is it free for all? Do any copyright laws apply when there are no terms and conditions to agree to?

                                            Yes, sort of. But it is the copyright of the writer.

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