question about setting up a new domain controller
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
Yeah - talk about a huge minefield! Because, for example, Cisco (as far as I know) doesn't work this way. You can't buy SmartNet directly from Cisco (and even if you can, you know there are companies out there that you can't) and that you must buy the support through a third party. So it's all just a muddled mess.
But, as Scott said - that's what you pay IT the big bucks for - to learn/know these things.
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Also, Office 365 pricing never changes, Microsoft is public about the price. Resellers offer "deals", sometimes cheaper (GoDaddy), sometimes higher (Rackspace) because they are selling their own service, not O365, and can set their own prices. GD lowers the price by only buying some features of O365 to resell to you so their get it really cheap. RS layers on their own services on top of O365 and charges a premium for it.
It's possible for a reseller to keep the $4 price, but generally they don't as having a lower price is how they lure people in.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
It shouldn't be. It should be incredibly simple. I'm not sure why everyone is acting like it's not really clear. Resellers take your money, partners do not. One introduces you to Microsoft; the other blocks you from Microsoft.
Now finding someone when you know no one, that's a little harder. But MS will always introduce you if you ask.
Learning that this is even a question you need to ask seems weird to me, but more important, where would you learn that you need to ask it other than bumping into a thread like this?
As always, no SMBs are not expected to know all this internally, but they are expected to work with IT outsourcing that does.
That's the biggest problem I see right now. Everyone I've dealt with is basically a salesman. I can't seem to identify a single true consultant or partner.
@NTG and @Bundy-Associates are both non-resellers. Both in regards to Office 365, and across the board.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
It shouldn't be. It should be incredibly simple. I'm not sure why everyone is acting like it's not really clear. Resellers take your money, partners do not. One introduces you to Microsoft; the other blocks you from Microsoft.
Now finding someone when you know no one, that's a little harder. But MS will always introduce you if you ask.
Learning that this is even a question you need to ask seems weird to me, but more important, where would you learn that you need to ask it other than bumping into a thread like this?
As always, no SMBs are not expected to know all this internally, but they are expected to work with IT outsourcing that does.
That's the biggest problem I see right now. Everyone I've dealt with is basically a salesman. I can't seem to identify a single true consultant or partner.
Have you paid anyone to represent you in this yet? If not, then you're probably right, you haven't talked to a true consultant, etc. They only make money when you pay them for making recommendations that have your best interest in mind.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
It shouldn't be. It should be incredibly simple. I'm not sure why everyone is acting like it's not really clear. Resellers take your money, partners do not. One introduces you to Microsoft; the other blocks you from Microsoft.
Now finding someone when you know no one, that's a little harder. But MS will always introduce you if you ask.
Learning that this is even a question you need to ask seems weird to me, but more important, where would you learn that you need to ask it other than bumping into a thread like this?
As always, no SMBs are not expected to know all this internally, but they are expected to work with IT outsourcing that does.
That's the biggest problem I see right now. Everyone I've dealt with is basically a salesman. I can't seem to identify a single true consultant or partner.
Most SMBs only deal with sales people, because most SMBs go out looking for free stuff and, more often, only do business with who reaches out to them rather than seeking IT resources directly. Why go looking when it keeps coming to your door, right?
There are HUGE profits in reselling, very low profits in consulting. So 99% of businesses servicing the SMB are resellers, it's literally where all of the money is. So if you don't really actively seek out consultants, none will ever get to you because either there aren't any spending the huge expense to try to introduce themselves (how do THEY find YOU problem) or they get filtered out because they cost money to engage for even the simplest things rather than being "free" like sales people.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
NTG doesn't sell anything other than services (I think they used to sell webroot, not sure about now?). The services they sell include "being your IT" - i.e. you pay them to research and KNOW things to make the best decisions for your company, among other services.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
It shouldn't be. It should be incredibly simple. I'm not sure why everyone is acting like it's not really clear. Resellers take your money, partners do not. One introduces you to Microsoft; the other blocks you from Microsoft.
Now finding someone when you know no one, that's a little harder. But MS will always introduce you if you ask.
Learning that this is even a question you need to ask seems weird to me, but more important, where would you learn that you need to ask it other than bumping into a thread like this?
As always, no SMBs are not expected to know all this internally, but they are expected to work with IT outsourcing that does.
That's the biggest problem I see right now. Everyone I've dealt with is basically a salesman. I can't seem to identify a single true consultant or partner.
Have you paid anyone to represent you in this yet? If not, then you're probably right, you haven't talked to a true consultant, etc. They only make money when you pay them for making recommendations that have your best interest in mind.
No.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
NTG doesn't sell anything other than services (I think they used to sell webroot, not sure about now?). The services they sell include "being your IT" - i.e. you pay them to research and KNOW things to make the best decisions for your company, among other services.
Yup, used to and stopped because it was too hard to explain that we weren't a reseller (except for AV because it is so trivial.... blah blah blah)
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
Locally and previously I mean. You guys have just provided me with some partners..
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You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
We are telling you about two partners @NTG and @Bundy-Associates . Both of these are partners with MS and can help you setup O365 accounts, getting you an additional connection for support from MS on the O365 products. These guys might get something like $1/account that you setup in the first year, otherwise they get nothing. They make money by selling you their service of migrating your email for you from whatever you have today, to O365, etc.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
As a more general guidelines, anyone that isn't the F500, and you can bet that they all have these too even if they don't need them, should have non-reseller consultants involved all of the time. That's just part of being a non-enterprise IT department. Until you have hundreds or thousands of dedicated IT staff internally, you can't really consider being without a consultancy as you just can't cover the necessary bases alone. IT isn't a one man job, it's a thousand man job. It's no shame, it's just that the scale of the SMB means that IT is a team effort with outsiders. Just the nature of the scope of IT.
So, in theory, working with an MS Partner is just an extension of that. Microsoft expects that either your existing non-reseller partners will already be in place and handle this, of that you will have one that points you to one that they work with.
Also, many general VARs don't sell O365 and only partner for that one product as it is very cumbersome to resell. And reselling wasn't even allowed until the partner marketplace was saturated.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Is this real O365, or is it reseller O365, i.e. crippled by however Appriver (like Rackspace/GoDaddy) wants to?
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
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VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
Locally and previously I mean. You guys have just provided me with some partners..
Oh okay. Then sure, but I assume that in the past no one even knew to go looking for them. So without knowing to look, you tend not to find.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Is this real O365, or is it reseller O365, i.e. crippled by however Appriver (like Rackspace/GoDaddy) wants to?
Reseller, only reseller can alter the price. That's a guarantee that it must be avoided.
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@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me.
ok let me try to explain it to you. If I have to buy a product to use, I have to get that product from somewhere and that usually means interfacing with another person that belongs to a company. At this point, the ability to see what's going on behind the scenes disappears. I don't know all the inner-workings of the various companies that have changed together a sales channel that turns the customer's money into the product/services they want. If I specifically ask every person I interact with, it may help, but I'm sure they will respond in a way that isn't blatantly obvious that they are one of many parasites trying to suck money out of you while you try to purchase something.
You have no need to know the inner-workings. You know to whom you hand your credit card. It's that simple. Are you paying Microsoft, or are you paying someone else? You want a Microsoft service, you pay Microsoft only. If you want a GoDaddy service (that MS may or may not service to them), then you pay GoDaddy.
The interface to you tells you everything that you need to know if the case of Office 365.
ok then I would go directly to Microsoft's website and purchase their O365 product, but then you are telling me not to do that because I should be working with a partner. The problem now is that I can't find a single partner or anyone who isn't selling stuff.
Except you HAVE found them. Why do you keep saying you haven't found one?
We are telling you about two partners @NTG and @Bundy-Associates . Both of these are partners with MS and can help you setup O365 accounts, getting you an additional connection for support from MS on the O365 products. These guys might get something like $1/account that you setup in the first year, otherwise they get nothing. They make money by selling you their service of migrating your email for you from whatever you have today, to O365, etc.
AFAIK, we get nothing at all except for the introduction to the customer.
Also costs us "nothing" to do. We just get listed as the partner.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@tim_g said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
You can get the O365 subscriptions cheaper by going through someone like AppRiver.
Cheaper than Microsoft direct I mean.
Yes, that's what you watch out for. GoDaddy is cheaper, too. You don't get O365, it just looks like it.
See, this is BS, MS shouldn't allow these resellers to call it O365 - they should be required to call it's Bob's Email+ service (powered by O365)... but they don't.
