Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
I have a lot to read and look into now, and perhaps become a strictly moderate to low alcohol consumer, so long as it's in a healthy drink, to help improve my health in addition to what I already do to be health conscious.
I think that, for those cases, nearly all sources agree (although this is mostly logical rather than empirical) that these things are factors....
- Genetics - while the average westerner benefits from alcohol (we think) certainly genetics matter and there are people who do not benefit.
- Less - when it doubt, err on the side of less not more. But not none.
- Steady - small amounts, likey with food, at an even pace is best; you can't make up on Saturday for a week of no drinks.
- Drunk - if you feel the alcohol doing much of anything, it's too much. A little warmth, that's ok. but if you feel fuzzy or drunk, likely you've gone well beyond the "for my health" limit. This is a good indicator, get buzzed once or twice and learn where that limit is for you. Is it one drink, two, four? Then maybe keep to no more than half that amount. For me, I can have several drinks in an evening while being well below my buzzed limit. but for my wife, that means only about half a drink at maximum. Your personal tolerance is universally believed to be a factor, but it will change over time so you have to gauge it a bit.
- Red Wine > Rose > White Wine > Beer > Cider > Mead > Cocktails > Shots
- Many healthy drinking cultures do spritzers (without the name) mixing water or soda water with wine to give you more fluids with less alcohol. Sangria is similar but has a lot of sugar from the fruit.
- Never let yourself feel like you had a drink (fluid) just because you had a drink (alcohol.) Find your healthy water rate, add alcohol on TOP of that, and then add a bit more water on top of THAT. Always err on the side of over-hydration when drinking. So if you have eight glasses of water a day, and you add one glass of wine, make it nine glasses of water a day. It's one glass of water for every drink in addition to your healthy normal water hydration rate.
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Personal wine drinking tip....
Something like the BotaBox Nighthawk. It's cheap, but high quality. Extremely dark red, in a box. Box wines make it far easier to portion control because you don't have the "there is just a little left in the bottle and it'll go bad" problem. Instead of lasting two days, the one box stays fresh for most of a month letting you drink less without waste, but it is always there for you to pour a little out into a glass. I keep it on the counter (in our bar, yes we have a bar in teh house.) If I use bottles, it's hard to not drink TWICE as fast as I should. With a box of wine, I find it really easy to drink regularly in small amounts instead of eratically in larger amounts. And at much lower cost.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
little out into a glass. I keep it on the counter (in our bar, yes we have a bar in teh house.) If I use bottles, it's hard to not drink
Normal drinks for me is 1-3 shots Fireball a month, and over the past 3 years about 4 ginger beers a month.. probably well below the moderate level discussed above.
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@dashrender said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
little out into a glass. I keep it on the counter (in our bar, yes we have a bar in teh house.) If I use bottles, it's hard to not drink
Normal drinks for me is 1-3 shots Fireball a month, and over the past 3 years about 4 ginger beers a month.. probably well below the moderate level discussed above.
My own level is WAY too low. I go months without a drink.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@dashrender said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
little out into a glass. I keep it on the counter (in our bar, yes we have a bar in teh house.) If I use bottles, it's hard to not drink
Normal drinks for me is 1-3 shots Fireball a month, and over the past 3 years about 4 ginger beers a month.. probably well below the moderate level discussed above.
My own level is WAY too low. I go months without a drink.
Before I found Crabby's I was the same. Then I meet up with you for drinks and drink more in one night than I do in a year.
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I have a drink (usually cider) maybe four times a year. I've kind of gotten on the sour beer kick though so that may be increasing.
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@coliver Have you tried Mead? Might be something you would like. Maybe a lambic like Framboise.
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The only way to say you drink for the health benefits, is to drink what the scientific community has agreed to what moderate drinking is:
https://moderatedrinking.com/home/default_home.aspx?p=md_defined
Any more than that, it no longer applies and is being abused for the sake of justifying yourself drinking.
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My guess is i am lucky genetically, I have to work really hard to become addicted to anything.... Except Food.
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@popester said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@coliver Have you tried Mead? Might be something you would like. Maybe a lambic like Framboise.
So sweet!
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@popester said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
My guess is i am lucky genetically, I have to work really hard to become addicted to anything.... Except Food.
Same here. Even food I can accidentally go a few days without having and not realize!
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@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
The only way to say you drink for the health benefits, is to drink what the scientific community has agreed to what moderate drinking is:
https://moderatedrinking.com/home/default_home.aspx?p=md_defined
Any more than that, it no longer applies and is being abused for the sake of justifying yourself drinking.
"Per drinking episode"....
On today's episode of drinking, we will be exploring red wine....
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@popester said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@coliver Have you tried Mead? Might be something you would like. Maybe a lambic like Framboise.
Too sweet.
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@scottalanmiller I know, the wife likes desert/sweet wines and drinks. I am a beer snob. It happens when you brew your own.
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@coliver said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@popester said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@coliver Have you tried Mead? Might be something you would like. Maybe a lambic like Framboise.
Too sweet.
A splash of Framboise in a pint of Guinness (or other stout/porter) is fantastic. Also delicious in chocolate cakes, cookies, etc.
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@rojoloco Oh WOW. Nothing better than Guinness on tap. I'm gonna have to try that. That sounds insane! Awesome.
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@scottalanmiller said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@tim_g said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
The only way to say you drink for the health benefits, is to drink what the scientific community has agreed to what moderate drinking is:
https://moderatedrinking.com/home/default_home.aspx?p=md_defined
Any more than that, it no longer applies and is being abused for the sake of justifying yourself drinking.
"Per drinking episode"....
On today's episode of drinking, we will be exploring red wine....
Lol yeah, I chuckled at that too.
The takeaway is that, per drinking episode, once your BAC hits 0.055, it's no longer beneficial to consume alcohol, and not more than 12-14 drinks per week for men... still paying attention to all other details of what defines moderate drinking.
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@popester said in Red Wine is good for you: Myth busted!:
@scottalanmiller I know, the wife likes desert/sweet wines and drinks. I am a beer snob. It happens when you brew your own.
I like dessert wine. I like sweet liqueur. But mead is just.... drunk honey. It's too much for me.
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Never could get into mead. But a good beer... stout, porter... yum.
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Here is the same conclusion, however, a different definition of what "moderate drinking" is...
https://www.isitbadforyou.com/questions/is-alcohol-bad-for-you
Now the question becomes, what exactly is the most accepted and/or correct definition of moderate drinking.
