Network setup - Hyper-V

Dashrender

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@CCWTech what versions of SMB are enabled on the server and the clients?

I haven't tried SMB 1 yet. Is that something that needs to be done on physical, hyper-v, and clients?

I'm curious as to what's currently enabled?

Reid Cooper

So the app is fast when using local storage and slow when using network storage? Seems like a not unexpected behaviour.

CCWTech

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@CCWTech what versions of SMB are enabled on the server and the clients?

I haven't tried SMB 1 yet. Is that something that needs to be done on physical, hyper-v, and clients?

I'm curious as to what's currently enabled?

Just defaults.

Does SMB1 need to be enabled on ALL servers (Physical, Hyper-V Applications) and then all clients?

If so, can that be done when they are in production?

black3dynamite

Temporary exclude the software directory and/or processes of that software from Windows Defender AV on server to see if that helps.

CCWTech

@reid-cooper said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

So the app is fast when using local storage and slow when using network storage? Seems like a not unexpected behaviour.

Except that it is. Of course running it locally with be always faster, but I'm talking about very significant slowdowns. I said above that I have done several of these servers for clients that use the software and have not had this issue.

Reid Cooper

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@reid-cooper said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

So the app is fast when using local storage and slow when using network storage? Seems like a not unexpected behaviour.

Except that it is. Of course running it locally with be always faster, but I'm talking about very significant slowdowns. I said above that I have done several of these servers for clients that use the software and have not had this issue.

Have you looked for things like a broken switch, unnecessary route hops, high latency between nodes, packet loss, or things of that nature?

Dashrender

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@CCWTech what versions of SMB are enabled on the server and the clients?

I haven't tried SMB 1 yet. Is that something that needs to be done on physical, hyper-v, and clients?

I'm curious as to what's currently enabled?

Just defaults.

Does SMB1 need to be enabled on ALL servers (Physical, Hyper-V Applications) and then all clients?

If so, can that be done when they are in production?

need? I would hope not, but I don't know.. Have you confirmed what is actually enabled? What's the output of Get-SmbClientConfiguration and Get-SmbConnection on both the hosting VM and the client computers?

Dashrender

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@reid-cooper said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

So the app is fast when using local storage and slow when using network storage? Seems like a not unexpected behaviour.

Except that it is. Of course running it locally with be always faster, but I'm talking about very significant slowdowns. I said above that I have done several of these servers for clients that use the software and have not had this issue.

Right, but difference now is - Windows server version and Hyper-V version? what about hardware differences?

CCWTech

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@reid-cooper said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

So the app is fast when using local storage and slow when using network storage? Seems like a not unexpected behaviour.

Except that it is. Of course running it locally with be always faster, but I'm talking about very significant slowdowns. I said above that I have done several of these servers for clients that use the software and have not had this issue.

Right, but difference now is - Windows server version and Hyper-V version? what about hardware differences?

Server 2016 is new. They all have been 2012 R2 and earlier. However the vendor says they have tested 2016 and had no problems. I don't know how much testing they have done with hyper-v (although they so support it).

Hardware is essentially the same setup.

Dashrender

When possible, you should have a copy of the data so you can just restore it to a test location for something like the following.

Windows 10 PC (Desktop/laptop hardware) put the data there and access it using the same client machine via the same switch as the server uses, see if there is a difference.

Then test the same setup with Server 2016 on that hardware.

Dashrender

I believe you said that you put the data directly on the Hyper-V host and shared it? if so, what was the outcome?

I also recall that you shared it from the VM, and accessed it on the Hyper-V host via that share, and it was slow - is that still the case?

CCWTech

Output from Physical Server:

ConnectionCountPerRssNetworkInterface : 4
DirectoryCacheEntriesMax : 16
DirectoryCacheEntrySizeMax : 65536
DirectoryCacheLifetime : 10
DormantFileLimit : 1023
EnableBandwidthThrottling : True
EnableByteRangeLockingOnReadOnlyFiles : True
EnableInsecureGuestLogons : True
EnableLargeMtu : True
EnableLoadBalanceScaleOut : True
EnableMultiChannel : True
EnableSecuritySignature : True
ExtendedSessionTimeout : 1000
FileInfoCacheEntriesMax : 64
FileInfoCacheLifetime : 10
FileNotFoundCacheEntriesMax : 128
FileNotFoundCacheLifetime : 5
KeepConn : 600
MaxCmds : 50
MaximumConnectionCountPerServer : 32
OplocksDisabled : False
RequireSecuritySignature : False
SessionTimeout : 60
UseOpportunisticLocking : True
WindowSizeThreshold : 1

Output from Applications server:

ConnectionCountPerRssNetworkInterface : 4
DirectoryCacheEntriesMax : 16
DirectoryCacheEntrySizeMax : 65536
DirectoryCacheLifetime : 10
DormantFileLimit : 1023
EnableBandwidthThrottling : True
EnableByteRangeLockingOnReadOnlyFiles : True
EnableInsecureGuestLogons : True
EnableLargeMtu : True
EnableLoadBalanceScaleOut : True
EnableMultiChannel : True
EnableSecuritySignature : True
ExtendedSessionTimeout : 1000
FileInfoCacheEntriesMax : 64
FileInfoCacheLifetime : 10
FileNotFoundCacheEntriesMax : 128
FileNotFoundCacheLifetime : 5
KeepConn : 600
MaxCmds : 50
MaximumConnectionCountPerServer : 32
OplocksDisabled : False
RequireSecuritySignature : False
SessionTimeout : 60
UseOpportunisticLocking : True
WindowSizeThreshold : 1

ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens

HOMETOWN-APPS Data HTVET\hvh2 HTVET\HVH2 3.1.1 1
HOMETOWN-APPS Data HTVET\HVH3 HTVET\HVH3 3.1.1 1
HOMETOWN-APPS Data HTVET\HVH8 HTVET\HVH8 3.1.1 1

Output from one of the workstations:
ConnectionCountPerRssNetworkInterface : 4
DirectoryCacheEntriesMax : 16
DirectoryCacheEntrySizeMax : 65536
DirectoryCacheLifetime : 10
DormantFileLimit : 1023
EnableBandwidthThrottling : True
EnableByteRangeLockingOnReadOnlyFiles : True
EnableInsecureGuestLogons : True
EnableLargeMtu : True
EnableLoadBalanceScaleOut : True
EnableMultiChannel : True
EnableSecuritySignature : True
ExtendedSessionTimeout : 1000
FileInfoCacheEntriesMax : 64
FileInfoCacheLifetime : 10
FileNotFoundCacheEntriesMax : 128
FileNotFoundCacheLifetime : 5
KeepConn : 600
MaxCmds : 50
MaximumConnectionCountPerServer : 32
OplocksDisabled : False
RequireSecuritySignature : False
SessionTimeout : 60
UseOpportunisticLocking : True
WindowSizeThreshold : 8

ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens

HOMETOWN-APPS Data HTVET\hvh HTVET.LOCAL\hvh 3.1.1 1

CCWTech

It is still slow when running the app on the physical server from the hyper-v (apps) server.

I have put the application on a directory on the physical server and shared that out for testing. More to come...

Dashrender

I gave the wrong command.

Get-SmbServerConfiguration
This one will tell you what SMB versions you have enabled for serving up shares. Only needed on the server side.

CCWTech

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

I gave the wrong command.

Get-SmbServerConfiguration
This one will tell you what SMB versions you have enabled for serving up shares. Only needed on the server side.

Physical or virtual or both?

CCWTech

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

Get-SmbServerConfiguration

This is from the hyperv/apps server:

AnnounceComment :
AnnounceServer : False
AsynchronousCredits : 512
AuditSmb1Access : False
AutoDisconnectTimeout : 15
AutoShareServer : True
AutoShareWorkstation : True
CachedOpenLimit : 0
DurableHandleV2TimeoutInSeconds : 180
EnableAuthenticateUserSharing : False
EnableDownlevelTimewarp : False
EnableForcedLogoff : True
EnableLeasing : True
EnableMultiChannel : True
EnableOplocks : False
EnableSecuritySignature : False
EnableSMB1Protocol : True
EnableSMB2Protocol : True
EnableStrictNameChecking : True
EncryptData : False
IrpStackSize : 15
KeepAliveTime : 2
MaxChannelPerSession : 32
MaxMpxCount : 50
MaxSessionPerConnection : 16384
MaxThreadsPerQueue : 20
MaxWorkItems : 1
NullSessionPipes : HydraLsPipe,TermServLicensing
NullSessionShares :
OplockBreakWait : 35
PendingClientTimeoutInSeconds : 120
RejectUnencryptedAccess : True
RequireSecuritySignature : False
ServerHidden : True
Smb2CreditsMax : 8192
Smb2CreditsMin : 512
SmbServerNameHardeningLevel : 0
TreatHostAsStableStorage : False
ValidateAliasNotCircular : True
ValidateShareScope : True
ValidateShareScopeNotAliased : True
ValidateTargetName : True

Dashrender

@ccwtech said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

I gave the wrong command.

Get-SmbServerConfiguration
This one will tell you what SMB versions you have enabled for serving up shares. Only needed on the server side.

Physical or virtual or both?

both, since you're now testing both.

Also, you can wrap each block of text with 3 tick marks ` before and after

to see it like this

Dashrender

You're Hyper-V has SMB1 enabled

https://i.imgur.com/nudzdn9.png

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in Network setup - Hyper-V:

You're Hyper-V has SMB1 enabled

https://i.imgur.com/nudzdn9.png

But Hyper-V shouldn't be involved in SMB communications.

CCWTech

Physical Server


AnnounceComment                 : 
AnnounceServer                  : False
AsynchronousCredits             : 512
AuditSmb1Access                 : False
AutoDisconnectTimeout           : 15
AutoShareServer                 : True
AutoShareWorkstation            : True
CachedOpenLimit                 : 10
DurableHandleV2TimeoutInSeconds : 180
EnableAuthenticateUserSharing   : False
EnableDownlevelTimewarp         : False
EnableForcedLogoff              : True
EnableLeasing                   : True
EnableMultiChannel              : True
EnableOplocks                   : True
EnableSecuritySignature         : False
EnableSMB1Protocol              : True
EnableSMB2Protocol              : True
EnableStrictNameChecking        : True
EncryptData                     : False
IrpStackSize                    : 15
KeepAliveTime                   : 2
MaxChannelPerSession            : 32
MaxMpxCount                     : 50
MaxSessionPerConnection         : 16384
MaxThreadsPerQueue              : 20
MaxWorkItems                    : 1
NullSessionPipes                : 
NullSessionShares               : 
OplockBreakWait                 : 35
PendingClientTimeoutInSeconds   : 120
RejectUnencryptedAccess         : True
RequireSecuritySignature        : False
ServerHidden                    : True
Smb2CreditsMax                  : 8192
Smb2CreditsMin                  : 512
SmbServerNameHardeningLevel     : 0
TreatHostAsStableStorage        : False
ValidateAliasNotCircular        : True
ValidateShareScope              : True
ValidateShareScopeNotAliased    : True
ValidateTargetName              : True