Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2
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@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said
You can also install the GUI on the server and have local management tools. Obviously managing purely remotely is better. But as this is a desktop anyway, local management tools are not out of the question and you can switch later once you are comfortable with it. There is no lock in to your GUI or tools choices like with Hyper-V.
"Obviously"
Hey do you consider cockpit a GUI?
Yes, do you consider it local?
I don't consider it a GUI like the traditional GUI that sits on the physical box, aka CInnamon or Windows.
But do you consider it local? You asked me if it was considered a GUI (by me), I presume because I mentioned that you don't want a local GUI.
No I am just wondering if someone said "I installed the GUI for FEdora server" if you would think they were talking about cockpit.
Most people mean the desktop GUI, so that you can hook up a monitor. Cockpit cant be used on a local monitor without another GUI existing that is local. But that's not what you asked me.
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@brrabill
I'm doing my research to get on KVM. I might go with Ubuntu for my home use. I'm still semi-noob. -
@krisleslie said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill
I'm doing my research to get on KVM. I might go with Ubuntu for my home use. I'm still semi-noob.Avoid using Ubuntu. It's unnecessarily complex. Stick with Fedora, keep things simple.
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You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
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The one place that Ubuntu really rocks is if you are builing an LXC/LXD host.
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@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
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@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
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@krisleslie said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
Scott I think many of us have it implanted in our head with spinning rust to continue to use RAID 10 as it felt the most safe and easy to scale
Honestly, I'm still trying to debate if RAID 5 is worth it vs RAID 1 with SSD's in mind. It's an extra cost, what benefit does it bring? I've only had to deal with RAID 5 on my old server, and I nuked it and never looked back, went with RAID 10 on spinning rust.
The question is - why did you nuke the RAID 5? Why did you move to RAID 10 instead of RAID 6? These questions are what can easily lead you to using RAID 5 on SSD instead of RAID 10.
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@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
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@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
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@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
I just wanted to hear it again.
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@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
For the 100th time, yes. I feel like I answer this almost every day.
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@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
At least. I finally published a paper on it six months ago. So saying it much longer than that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
At least. I finally published a paper on it six months ago. So saying it much longer than that.
Well, at some point in mostly recent memory you were all about CentOS, CentOS, CentOS, all about CentOS.
Then at some point you changed to Fedora.
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@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
At least. I finally published a paper on it six months ago. So saying it much longer than that.
Well, at some point in mostly recent memory you were all about CentOS, CentOS, CentOS, all about CentOS.
Then at some point you changed to Fedora.
Yes, when CentOS aged too much and Fedora had gotten so stable that CentOS no longer made sense in the modern market.
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@scottalanmiller said
For the 100th time, yes. I feel like I answer this almost every day.
Yes but if you take me out of the equation, it's probably more in the single digits.
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@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
At least. I finally published a paper on it six months ago. So saying it much longer than that.
Well, at some point in mostly recent memory you were all about CentOS, CentOS, CentOS, all about CentOS.
Then at some point you changed to Fedora.
Yes, when CentOS aged too much and Fedora had gotten so stable that CentOS no longer made sense in the modern market.
What made this happen? Why wouldn't this have always been the case? or why did it change? i.e. why did whoever makes Fedora decide to stop rolling down Fedora changes into CentOS frequently enough to make that the stable/good platform?
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@dashrender said
Well, at some point in mostly recent memory you were all about CentOS, CentOS, CentOS, all about CentOS.
Then at some point you changed to Fedora.
This is the thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
Like how we can tell someone that OptionA is the only option out there, and you'd be a moron to go with another option. Then people get behind OptionA, and implement OptionA. Then one day later, it's like yeah only morons use OptionA. OptionB is where it is at.
When can you ever really trust any of the options?
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@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@dashrender said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@brrabill said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@black3dynamite said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
@scottalanmiller said in Need to Improve Disk Utilization on XenServer 7.2:
You start playing with Ubuntu, and the next thing you know you get sucked into thinking two year old LTS releases are acceptable to deploy in production.
Would you say same thing if some uses CentOS since it’s pretty much a LTS compared to using Fedora?
Yes, but there is less confusion around it due to the greater education and professional nature of the community. But it is exactly the same and why I've been talking so heavily about why it is time to abandon both.
So you are now saying abandon CentOS as well?
He's been saying that for 6 months.
At least. I finally published a paper on it six months ago. So saying it much longer than that.
Well, at some point in mostly recent memory you were all about CentOS, CentOS, CentOS, all about CentOS.
Then at some point you changed to Fedora.
Yes, when CentOS aged too much and Fedora had gotten so stable that CentOS no longer made sense in the modern market.
What made this happen? Why wouldn't this have always been the case? or why did it change? i.e. why did whoever makes Fedora decide to stop rolling down Fedora changes into CentOS frequently enough to make that the stable/good platform?
Becaue the market has changed. The need for applications and application frameworks to be kept up to date has far outstripped the needs of the OS to be kept up to date. The world has moved on and being up to date is vastly more important than it used to be as the application dependencies have moved way up the stack. The LTS model doesn't hold up any more which is why Windows has abandoned it, too.
