Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment
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@coliver said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
We're using SfB now. It's a replacement for AIM. Not sure how I feel about it yet. Not stable and it drops messages.
AIM is a good comparison. Places still using AIM should be okay with SfB. that's definitely the target audience.
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
How is it better for groups?
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I like the groups in slack. Why do you not like them?
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@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
We used it for group chats without much problem. That said, Mattermost is much better for group chat.
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@dashrender said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
How is it better for groups?
The Slack-like products are designed around group chat and have individual functionality. SfB was designed the other way around.
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@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
We used it for group chats without much problem. That said, Mattermost is much better for group chat.
I use consumer skype for group chat monthly with any issues, I'm curious what's better about Slack or anything else?
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@dashrender said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
We used it for group chats without much problem. That said, Mattermost is much better for group chat.
I use consumer skype for group chat monthly with any issues, I'm curious what's better about Slack or anything else?
just trying to learn.Skype for Business has nothing in common with Skype other than the name, and maybe some back end. It is much more of a point to point chat client where you can create a chat between a group of people. It does support group chat to an extent, but that feels bolted on. Slack-likes are oriented around groups, both public and private. They do support point to point, but it is more about the group than the individual.
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@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@dashrender said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
We used it for group chats without much problem. That said, Mattermost is much better for group chat.
I use consumer skype for group chat monthly with any issues, I'm curious what's better about Slack or anything else?
just trying to learn.Skype for Business has nothing in common with Skype other than the name, and maybe some back end. It is much more of a point to point chat client where you can create a chat between a group of people. It does support group chat to an extent, but that feels bolted on. Slack-likes are oriented around groups, both public and private. They do support point to point, but it is more about the group than the individual.
Skype for business has nothing to do with Skype at all. It is Lync
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@dashrender said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@scottalanmiller said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@kelly said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Are you thinking for staff and faculty, or for students (as well)?
For staff and maybe faculty too.
At my previous job we used Lync/Skype for Business pretty heavily. Having it be integrated and free along with the rest of Office365 made it really usable. Some of the teams readily adopted it. Others...not so much. Faculty adoption was directly proportional to their familiarity with technology and relationship with my boss. It was a great tool overall, especially since we had 6 sites spread over a 100 mile radius. I'm guessing your experience with Mattermost/Rocket.chat would be similar.
Rocket.chat is nothing like SfB. It's actually useful for groups, whereas SfB is not. It's like Teams, not like SfB.
We used it for group chats without much problem. That said, Mattermost is much better for group chat.
I use consumer skype for group chat monthly with any issues, I'm curious what's better about Slack or anything else?
just trying to learn.Team functionality is the big thing.
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I know it's designed for gamers, but Discord it's awesome. It has great features, including group text, voice and video chat (video chat up to 10 users), screen sharing, mobile app. And it is free. Maybe someone here could find it useful.
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I cannot remember it off the top of my head, but I do recall reading something where there are issues with discord.
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Something to keep in mind with Mattermost is that if you plan on using it with attachments, if you delete any message or channel with attachments, the attachments are never removed from the application. You'll end-up with a constantly growing need for space if your use is attachment heavy. That's been confirmed with the Mattermost team. Haven't tested that with Rocket.Chat.
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@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Something to keep in mind with Mattermost is that if you plan on using it with attachments, if you delete any message or channel with attachments, the attachments are never removed from the application. You'll end-up with a constantly growing need for space if your use is attachment heavy. That's been confirmed with the Mattermost team. Haven't tested that with Rocket.Chat.
Is Mattermost team working on a fix? Would it be best just blocking the ability to use attachments?
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Chances are we will eventually be using Microsoft Teams since we are heavy invested in the Microsoft ecosystem.
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@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Something to keep in mind with Mattermost is that if you plan on using it with attachments, if you delete any message or channel with attachments, the attachments are never removed from the application. You'll end-up with a constantly growing need for space if your use is attachment heavy. That's been confirmed with the Mattermost team. Haven't tested that with Rocket.Chat.
Is Mattermost team working on a fix? Would it be best just blocking the ability to use attachments?
They don't consider it a bug. Here is their response to my question back in August.
https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/issues/7139#issuecomment-320931644
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@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Something to keep in mind with Mattermost is that if you plan on using it with attachments, if you delete any message or channel with attachments, the attachments are never removed from the application. You'll end-up with a constantly growing need for space if your use is attachment heavy. That's been confirmed with the Mattermost team. Haven't tested that with Rocket.Chat.
Is Mattermost team working on a fix? Would it be best just blocking the ability to use attachments?
They don't consider it a bug. Here is their response to my question back in August.
https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/issues/7139#issuecomment-320931644
That’s to bad. An option button to purge deleted items would be awesome. We have to manually delete them from the database?
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@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
Something to keep in mind with Mattermost is that if you plan on using it with attachments, if you delete any message or channel with attachments, the attachments are never removed from the application. You'll end-up with a constantly growing need for space if your use is attachment heavy. That's been confirmed with the Mattermost team. Haven't tested that with Rocket.Chat.
Is Mattermost team working on a fix? Would it be best just blocking the ability to use attachments?
They don't consider it a bug. Here is their response to my question back in August.
https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/issues/7139#issuecomment-320931644
That’s to bad. An option button to purge deleted items would be awesome. We have to manually delete them from the database?
Attachments are saved in folders with the same name as the comment and team it is associated with. The problem is that those are server generated IDs and do not use the team names or anything. What you have to do is figure out what items are orphaned items in the database and delete those folders either one at a time or script the process. It's an ugly, manual process that I haven't even had time to look into automating in any kind of useful way.
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@black3dynamite Here is an example...
Where in my case you'd find these files...
The top file is the test image I uploaded while the other 2 are system generated.
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@black3dynamite Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you not use Mattermost. In fact, it's been our choice for my team for a few months. But the issue with attachments is something that I hope they'll address in a future release. For now, we use Alfresco for file management and instead of adding attachments to Mattermost, we use links to Alfresco hosted files instead.
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@nashbrydges said in Using Mattermost or RocketChat in a college environment:
@black3dynamite Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you not use Mattermost. In fact, it's been our choice for my team for a few months. But the issue with attachments is something that I hope they'll address in a future release. For now, we use Alfresco for file management and instead of adding attachments to Mattermost, we use links to Alfresco hosted files instead.
We use Rocket to talk but put all files in NextCloud.
