I grabbed an Android TV box...
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@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@irj said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
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@scottalanmiller Just like the Nintendo Switch. It didn’t even come with a game. Also, for an extra controller it’s like $80 after tax. My daughter’s uncle got it for her for Christmas. I’m betting she’ll play with the Android box more as soon as it comes in.
Oh yeah. Everything since the N64 has been garbage based completely around gimmicks. Wii and WiiU were so awful. The Switch is just the guts of an Nvidia Shield in a lower quality container at double the price.
And the Shield is already quite old.
Nintendo is lucky their name still carries so much weight. If any of those systems were designed by any company other than Nintendo, they'd be another Sega Saturn or jaguar 64.
Nintendo just has so many fanboys and they are quite good with making fun games. Their niche is really software not hardware anymore.
It is always about the software, even for the iPhone, Pixel phones, xbox, Playstation, etc. It is the software that really drives it. You can have the best hardware but if you have crappy software to put on it, the hardware is then perceived to be crappy as well.
Yeah that is true. I meant to say games. Of course nostalgia has a lot to do with their success. I wonder how much the same games would make without Mario branding.
My guess is that they'd make nothing at all. If it wasn't for the branding, Nintendo makes poorly rates $.49 Steam sale games.
I think they make some fun newer games, but a lot of them aren't original or have good graphics. The gameplay is fun and can be addictive in some games. There are others like Mario sunshine or Luigi's mansion and just say wtf. Those games are really popular for whatever reason though.
Same reason that all those cheezy apps advertise on television. The casual gamer market has exploded. Nintendo is THE system for people who don't like games. They make the kind of stuff that celebrities advertise on annoying push ads. Candy Crush and stuff like that.
To say that Nintendo Console owners, I have owned almost every Nintendo console just to be transparent, are not "TRUE" gamers is a really snobbish thing to say. Each Nintendo console has given me hours of gaming fun. Just because they are not the "true games" you like doesn't mean anything. To say that Nintendo caters to a different type of gamer, would be an accurate statement.
They cater to casual gamers. That's their thing. It's not me calling that segment not "true gamers", that's the excepted term used for casual gaming. You get the same reactions for people who like hidden object games (I actually like and play these), solataire games, the games that come with the OS, Candy Crush, etc. Those are all part of the same casual gaming family. There isn't any term for the two camps except for "casual gamers" and "true gamers", for better or for worse. If you want to come up with better industry terms, feel free. But don't call me a snob for using the industry terms. And I fall on both sides, too. But I would never consider playing minesweeper the same as playing Skyrim, even though I play both. It doesn't make me not a gamer, but I'm not considered to be doing a "gaming activity" when playing minecraft.
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@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
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@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
The Wii and Wii U were definitely geared toward casual gamers.
I might even go so far as to say their portable game units were geared toward casual gamers - but then the Switch would break that - it's for both. -
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
I’ve played some of the later Zelda games and find them more casual, rather than less, than many phone games. There has been a strong push to get them on phones, in fact.
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@dashrender said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
The Wii and Wii U were definitely geared toward casual gamers.
I might even go so far as to say their portable game units were geared toward casual gamers - but then the Switch would break that - it's for both.Both what? Casual and casual portable? Thts true. But it’s only the power and hardware of a phone. But without the build quality and game selection. So it’s like a casual phone system.
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
I’ve played some of the later Zelda games and find them more casual, rather than less, than many phone games. There has been a strong push to get them on phones, in fact.
You have found them. Not me or many, many, others. Your opinion is not a fact.
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@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
I’ve played some of the later Zelda games and find them more casual, rather than less, than many phone games. There has been a strong push to get them on phones, in fact.
You have found them. Not me or many, many, others. Your opinion is not a fact.
You can’t possibly claim Zelda games are not super casual. Or you can’t think phone games are casual.
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
I’ve played some of the later Zelda games and find them more casual, rather than less, than many phone games. There has been a strong push to get them on phones, in fact.
You have found them. Not me or many, many, others. Your opinion is not a fact.
You can’t possibly claim Zelda games are not super casual. Or you can’t think phone games are casual.
I have not had a Nintendo console for the games after Ocarina of Time until now. So I am not sure on the games in between. Ocarina of Time (N64) and Breath of the Wild (Switch), are not casual games.
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My point is that zelda is more casual than a lot of What phones have today. If you want to consider both casual, fine. If neither, okay. But if Zelda isn’t casual, what is? Short of match 3 games, what’s more casual?
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@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
I’ve played some of the later Zelda games and find them more casual, rather than less, than many phone games. There has been a strong push to get them on phones, in fact.
You have found them. Not me or many, many, others. Your opinion is not a fact.
You can’t possibly claim Zelda games are not super casual. Or you can’t think phone games are casual.
I have not had a Nintendo console for the games after Ocarina of Time until now. So I am not sure on the games in between. Ocarina of Time (N64) and Breath of the Wild (Switch), are not casual games.
Twilight Princess, Wind Waker HD (WiiU) are crazy casual.
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SNES era was different. But I’ve tried most Zelda since then and own every one, and they are always (except maybe this very latest) far more simple and casual than anything else I’ve seen in their genres - but with graphics akin to more serious games which is what I think makes them popular. Casual to play but give that “feel” of a more serious game.
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I consider HOPA to be generally casual. But they normally have way more story telling and engagement than Zelda or Mario. Casual is a difficult category because it just means a “lighter” gaming experience that you can pick up and put down easily.
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
Casual is a difficult category because it just means a “lighter” gaming experience that you can pick up and put down easily.
I was able to pick up and put down EverQuest easily, while others spents hours a day on it.
So is it casual or not?
These terms are different to everyone. That is the point. You are clearly labeling things from from your point of view.
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@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
Casual is a difficult category because it just means a “lighter” gaming experience that you can pick up and put down easily.
I was able to pick up and put down EverQuest easily, while others spents hours a day on it.
So is it casual or not?
These terms are different to everyone. That is the point. You are clearly labeling things from from your point of view.
Except I’m using a relation. It’s “less demanding” than what most people classify as casual. I’m not setting the bar for casual. Just comparing to what most people consider casual.
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If you talk to casual gamers, they rarely see their games as casual. For example Candy Crush players often get into it.
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@dashrender said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@penguinwrangler said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller a casual gamer is someone like my mother who plays games on her iPhone. If I sat her down in front of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild she would be way in over her head. It would not be a casual experience for her or any true casual gamer. It is the game itself that will determine if it is a casual game, not the console. To say that all Nintendo consoles are for casual gamers would be an over generalization. There are casual games for each console. The fact that Nintendo does causal games on a console the best shouldn't detract from the other great non-causal games it has. In Engadget's list of best games of 2017, two Nintendo games made the list of ten, with many mentioned as runner-ups. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/28/the-best-games-of-2017/
The Wii and Wii U were definitely geared toward casual gamers.
I might even go so far as to say their portable game units were geared toward casual gamers - but then the Switch would break that - it's for both.Both what? Casual and casual portable? Thts true. But it’s only the power and hardware of a phone. But without the build quality and game selection. So it’s like a casual phone system.
No, it's both for causal gamers and true gamers... or at least that's who they are trying to cater to.. I've never used one, never played a game on one.. so I don't know if that's really true or not.
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@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
Casual is a difficult category because it just means a “lighter” gaming experience that you can pick up and put down easily.
I was able to pick up and put down EverQuest easily, while others spents hours a day on it.
So is it casual or not?
These terms are different to everyone. That is the point. You are clearly labeling things from from your point of view.
Except I’m using a relation. It’s “less demanding” than what most people classify as casual. I’m not setting the bar for casual. Just comparing to what most people consider casual.
So where is that bar exactly? I have friends that MUST play those clash of clans type games every few hours. It reminds me of the old Everquest people.. they're pratical drug addicts.
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@dashrender said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
@scottalanmiller said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
Casual is a difficult category because it just means a “lighter” gaming experience that you can pick up and put down easily.
I was able to pick up and put down EverQuest easily, while others spents hours a day on it.
So is it casual or not?
These terms are different to everyone. That is the point. You are clearly labeling things from from your point of view.
Except I’m using a relation. It’s “less demanding” than what most people classify as casual. I’m not setting the bar for casual. Just comparing to what most people consider casual.
So where is that bar exactly? I have friends that MUST play those clash of clans type games every few hours. It reminds me of the old Everquest people.. they're pratical drug addicts.
That is addiction. Not gaming. I know plenty of people that were heavily into EverQuest and spent hours a day online, but had no issues with logging out. I also know a few addicts who lost spouses.
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@jaredbusch said in I grabbed an Android TV box...:
I also know a few addicts who lost spouses.
That's... a lot of Everquest.
