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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
...not necessary that you can find again IT Generalist job,
How can you say this after what we have explained? Everyone in here is a generalist, every single one. Every IT person in the SOHO, SMB and SME markets and most in the Medium and many in the Large market are generalists. There is no part of IT more broad, nothing more easy to find, nothing more likely to fall into. It's specialist that is "hard" to find.
No one, in the history of IT, has failed to find other generalists jobs, that's the one thing you know is always there, in every market.
Sorry
agreed.Besides, I don't know why Emojis are not working ?
I blame @scottalanmiller.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
That's what the actual job interviews are for, I think. That is where you can give more details about your skills, not just a bullet point of "I have done / currently do these things at my job" type list.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
I never mean some post is having lower level value and some higher. What I mean here is, in general, IT guys growth is like Support L1 -> L2->L3-> System Admin etc. so in this levels, my position is System Admin and applying for some L2 (which is lower ?)
And what I'm telling you is that that is WRONG. That's not how it happens, those are false titles 99% of the time. System Admin is not "above" support. It's a lateral move to a different discipline.
If you wanted to be an admin, you start there. There is nothing in being in support that prepares you for be an admin.
Oh okay, noted.
Other than just "the more experience you have, the more someone will take a risk on you if you lack other stuff" way.
Well, that may not be true for everyone, let's say in my situation, my company do "Interior Designing", all other colleagues are non-IT including Management and no other IT than me, so no one can understand how many things I learned, implementing for betterment etc.
Maybe it is true in MSPs, companies with IT in-charge or IT Manager, fortune companies etc as they will have someone can understand IT things.
I don't follow this. So you are saying that all experience is worthless because you don't work in a large company?
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@JaredBusch said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
So are all CIOs, though. Generalist runs the gamut.
IMO I'd be a lot more valuable as a specialist but if I want to do that I need to get an enterprise job. SMB's obviously can't hire like that.
And you would be wrong again as you always are when it comes to what you perceive as value.
Am I a specialist? Where do you think my value lies?
I don't know what to classify you as because you have specialist level of knowledge but are a generalist as well. You're essentially where I aspire to be, but we also are very different people.
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@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
Yeah I can understand that. Why you are not feeling great, is that same reason I am seeing now ? that is "not specialized and may find difficulty when we want to move to other company" ?
It's harder to be good at your job as a generalist than it is a specialist just due to the amount of knowledge required. It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@JaredBusch said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
So are all CIOs, though. Generalist runs the gamut.
IMO I'd be a lot more valuable as a specialist but if I want to do that I need to get an enterprise job. SMB's obviously can't hire like that.
And you would be wrong again as you always are when it comes to what you perceive as value.
Am I a specialist? Where do you think my value lies?
I don't know what to classify you as because you have specialist level of knowledge but are a generalist as well.
Specialists are not senior to generalists. There isn't a "level" for specialist. A specialist goes to work and does one job (wears one hat) and a generalist goes and wears many hats.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@openit It's really easy to fall into a generalist role naturally because a lot of SMB's have a single IT staff and you will be responsible for everything. @Dashrender and I are both generalists. It's not great.
Yeah I can understand that. Why you are not feeling great, is that same reason I am seeing now ? that is "not specialized and may find difficulty when we want to move to other company" ?
It's harder to be good at your job as a generalist than it is a specialist just due to the amount of knowledge required.
Same amount needed, just different stuff. Generalists need more different things (broad) and specialists need fewer things (focused.) The total amount to know is the same.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
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@scottalanmiller I'm also approaching this as someone who desperately wants to learn, not @JaredBusch 's position where he already has a vast amount of knowledge.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
Not really, I don't believe that that is true. The stress comes from you applying unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations that cannot be met. The lack of knowledge aspect comes heavily from that other issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
Not really, I don't believe that that is true. The stress comes from you applying unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations that cannot be met. The lack of knowledge aspect comes heavily from that other issue.
Doesn't the unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations come out of the lack of knowledge? Only way to resolve that is to learn, which I'm trying to do--limited by what I can absorb and understand of course.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
It's also a lot more stressful to be responsible for absolutely everything--instead of just your niche thing.
I've done both, I don't feel that this is true. Generalists rarely are tasks with critical things like specialists are. So the stress is normally much lower.
Any stress I feel comes from a lack of knowledge. If I know the fix to the situation I am calm as a cucumber
Not really, I don't believe that that is true. The stress comes from you applying unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations that cannot be met. The lack of knowledge aspect comes heavily from that other issue.
Doesn't the unrealistic and unsubstantiated expectations come out of the lack of knowledge? Only way to resolve that is to learn, which I'm trying to do--limited by what I can absorb and understand of course.
No, because you will just have a moving bar if that is the case. We've covered this, your issue is that you set impossible expectations and are not based on reality - that means that no amount of learning will change that.
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@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller I'm also approaching this as someone who desperately wants to learn, not @JaredBusch 's position where he already has a vast amount of knowledge.
The only way to get 'vast amount of knowledge' is over a vast amount of time. Youre not going to get 20 years of xp and knowledge in 1 year, 2 years, or 5 years.
It is like investing in that way, a little bit over long period of time = millionaire and retiring before age 65.
a little knowledge every day for many years = being able to say 'FFS' to others. -
@momurda said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller I'm also approaching this as someone who desperately wants to learn, not @JaredBusch 's position where he already has a vast amount of knowledge.
The only way to get 'vast amount of knowledge' is over a vast amount of time. Youre not going to get 20 years of xp and knowledge in 1 year, 2 years, or 5 years.
It is like investing in that way, a little bit over long period of time = millionaire and retiring before age 65.
a little knowledge every day for many years = being able to say 'FFS' to others.It's less that I expect to learn everything in a short amount of time and more that I've been doing this for a little bit and feel like I should be further along, but I hear you for sure. I shouldn't be as hard on myself in that way.
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@momurda said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@wirestyle22 said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
@scottalanmiller I'm also approaching this as someone who desperately wants to learn, not @JaredBusch 's position where he already has a vast amount of knowledge.
The only way to get 'vast amount of knowledge' is over a vast amount of time. Youre not going to get 20 years of xp and knowledge in 1 year, 2 years, or 5 years.
It is like investing in that way, a little bit over long period of time = millionaire and retiring before age 65.
a little knowledge every day for many years = being able to say 'FFS' to others.Exactly. Lots of time with regular, continuous studying all of that time. People often wonder how I knew so much so early in my IT career... it's because I studied for four years before getting my first SE job and did five years as an SE before getting my first real IT job. That's nine years of prep for my entry level position! And I was still entry level (but above minimum wage, at least.)
SE is closely enough related to IT that in those early years, it advanced you almost as fast.
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This has been such a great thread to read, as I can empathize with @wirestyle22 with the knowledge and self-expectation problem. And I can empathize with the OP with trying to determine a direction.
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@EddieJennings said in Which IT role I am suitable and to which should I apply for ?:
This has been such a great thread to read, as I can empathize with @wirestyle22 with the knowledge and self-expectation problem. And I can empathize with the OP with trying to determine a direction.
Career choices are hard. So many options but the route you pick affects you for so long.
