Printing broken by June 2017 updates
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Tee hee... Linux still printing just fine
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@scottalanmiller said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Tee hee... Linux still printing just fine
Yep, Linux patches have never broken a single thing in the history of Linux - I forgot.
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Do Office documents print ok? Do any sort of doc print ok?
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@momurda said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Do Office documents print ok? Do any sort of doc print ok?
No clue - didn't try. A test page from the print driver worked just fine.
Removing the patch resolved the problem, but opens the security flaw back up.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Tee hee... Linux still printing just fine
Yep, Linux patches have never broken a single thing in the history of Linux - I forgot.
Never seen one. It must have happened, but literally, never heard of it happening. It is so rare as to the point that the entire concept of testing patches doesn't really exist there. The idea that patches break things in the real world is exclusive to Windows. I'd never say that there are no breaks or can be no breaks... just that things like this... try to find one on any enterprise release of Linux like.. ever. Windows has more a month than Linux has in decades.
That said, my point was that we had a discussion of Linux being hard and Windows being easy and I kept pointing out that Windows printing is consistently flaky and problematic. And that's before it "breaks".
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@scottalanmiller said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
@scottalanmiller said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Tee hee... Linux still printing just fine
Yep, Linux patches have never broken a single thing in the history of Linux - I forgot.
Never seen one. It must have happened, but literally, never heard of it happening. It is so rare as to the point that the entire concept of testing patches doesn't really exist there. The idea that patches break things in the real world is exclusive to Windows. I'd never say that there are no breaks or can be no breaks... just that things like this... try to find one on any enterprise release of Linux like.. ever. Windows has more a month than Linux has in decades.
That said, my point was that we had a discussion of Linux being hard and Windows being easy and I kept pointing out that Windows printing is consistently flaky and problematic. And that's before it "breaks".
Yeah I saw that post.
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WTF makes printing so damned hard on Windows? Why is it such a problem child? What is happening in 'nix that makes it so much less problematic?
Next question - how many printers work with 'nix vs Windows? Can I go to BB or Staples and buy any printer on their shelf and make it work with 'nix? I know I can with Windows.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
WTF makes printing so damned hard on Windows? Why is it such a problem child? What is happening in 'nix that makes it so much less problematic?
Next question - how many printers work with 'nix vs Windows? Can I go to BB or Staples and buy any printer on their shelf and make it work with 'nix? I know I can with Windows.
I have never had one I could not add. Only been using Korora a month or so though.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
WTF makes printing so damned hard on Windows? Why is it such a problem child? What is happening in 'nix that makes it so much less problematic?
Literally no idea. I'm lost on that too. Seems totally backwards. But we've noticed it a lot.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Next question - how many printers work with 'nix vs Windows? Can I go to BB or Staples and buy any printer on their shelf and make it work with 'nix? I know I can with Windows.
I've never seen Linux struggle with a printer (or even mention that it was plugged in, it just works instantly) since the 2000s, maybe like 2008 or so. Windows we still have problems printing on common HP and Brother printers today.
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Crappy Unix Print Server works just fine for printing. Ive never not been able to print with a linux workstation. Doing some of the advanced functions like finishing/stapling, you need drivers for the device just like windows.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Can I go to BB or Staples and buy any printer on their shelf and make it work with 'nix? I know I can with Windows.
That's the point.... it's with Linux we find that you can do that and with Windows we notice that you can't do so as reliably. Most of the time you can get it to work, about half of the time with manual intervention to convince it to work.
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@momurda said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
Crappy Unix Print Server works just fine for printing. Ive never not been able to print with a linux workstation. Doing some of the advanced functions like finishing/stapling, you need drivers for the device just like windows.
Maybe CUPS is so good and that is why Red Hat went so crazy making a cert just for it.
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I had 2 hp printers that wouldn't print with default drivers in Korora, one of them I got working through hplip the other I installed with hplip but it just printed out blank pages.
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Here is a post on MS's forum for the same issue.
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@Dashrender said in Printing broken by June 2017 updates:
WTF makes printing so damned hard on Windows? Why is it such a problem child? What is happening in 'nix that makes it so much less problematic?
Next question - how many printers work with 'nix vs Windows? Can I go to BB or Staples and buy any printer on their shelf and make it work with 'nix? I know I can with Windows.
Drivers that are available from Microsoft works great. Its when using drivers from the vendors that causes headaches.
Most of the times using the generic pcl in Linux is all you need. Might have issues with certain copiers that has addition features requiring the exact driver.
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That issue I have seen it mostly in Windows 7 although is affecting Windows 10. Uninstalling the update is the only way to go for now. See this post:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2006071-kb17-06-ie-causing-browser-printing-problems -
On windows 10, using Chrome solved our problem.
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MS has released a patch for Windows 7 for this problem.
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MS admits there's a problem, but no fix for any version of Windows 10 yet.
