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      Emad R @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

      Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

      We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

      the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

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        Emad R @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller

        +1000 on this

        I use SoftEther VPN and even if I get 30 Mb/s out of it with enc which is nearly 80% of our bandwidth, using HTTP. When transferring files using tradition file methods it is terribly slow, we are taking about KB/s slow like 50 KB/s or something.

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          Emad R
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          I reckon the best way from here is to check the internet speed at the office in China, and the file sizes of things that will get uploaded.

          If they are big files and slow internet then you should host it onsite the nextcloud, but I dont know if China will allow other companies from accessing the site, maybe it will work if the companies are within china ? not sure though...

          If small files sizes then yh host it in the cloud.

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            scottalanmiller @Emad R
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            @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

            @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

            Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

            We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

            the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

            Interesting. How often are people emptying folders? I've not seen this happen, but not sure we've ever done that, either.

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              scottalanmiller @Emad R
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              @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

              @scottalanmiller

              +1000 on this

              I use SoftEther VPN and even if I get 30 Mb/s out of it with enc which is nearly 80% of our bandwidth, using HTTP. When transferring files using tradition file methods it is terribly slow, we are taking about KB/s slow like 50 KB/s or something.

              That seems TOO slow. It would not be fast, but that's extreme.

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                scottalanmiller @Emad R
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                @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                I reckon the best way from here is to check the internet speed at the office in China, and the file sizes of things that will get uploaded.

                If they are big files and slow internet then you should host it onsite the nextcloud, but I dont know if China will allow other companies from accessing the site, maybe it will work if the companies are within china ? not sure though...

                If small files sizes then yh host it in the cloud.

                You can federate NextCloud systems as well.

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                  wrx7m @Emad R
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                  @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                  I reckon the best way from here is to check the internet speed at the office in China, and the file sizes of things that will get uploaded.

                  If they are big files and slow internet then you should host it onsite the nextcloud, but I dont know if China will allow other companies from accessing the site, maybe it will work if the companies are within china ? not sure though...

                  If small files sizes then yh host it in the cloud.

                  I would not be hosting anything in the office in China. I meant on the US side.

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                    wrx7m
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                    A user in the Chinese office, who is an American, said that their Internet speed is not the problem and they get 100 Mbps. That seems very fast for what I was expecting. I will have to see about testing it. I would also expect that there would be some sort of bottleneck going through the great firewall.

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                      scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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                      @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                      A user in the Chinese office, who is an American, said that their Internet speed is not the problem and they get 100 Mbps. That seems very fast for what I was expecting. I will have to see about testing it. I would also expect that there would be some sort of bottleneck going through the great firewall.

                      Not likely a bottleneck, it's probably all about latency. That's what kills file operations on the WAN in most cases.

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                        Emad R @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                        @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                        @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

                        Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

                        We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

                        the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

                        Interesting. How often are people emptying folders? I've not seen this happen, but not sure we've ever done that, either.

                        Your users are smart unlike mine, I have to deal with doctors... people assume they are smart. but trust me they dont want to learn anything new

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                          dafyre @Emad R
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                          @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                          @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                          @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

                          Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

                          We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

                          the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

                          Interesting. How often are people emptying folders? I've not seen this happen, but not sure we've ever done that, either.

                          Your users are smart unlike mine, I have to deal with doctors... people assume they are smart. but trust me they dont want to learn anything new

                          They spent 20 years in school. They feel they shouldn't have to!

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                            scottalanmiller @Emad R
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                            @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                            @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                            @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

                            Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

                            We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

                            the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

                            Interesting. How often are people emptying folders? I've not seen this happen, but not sure we've ever done that, either.

                            Your users are smart unlike mine, I have to deal with doctors... people assume they are smart. but trust me they dont want to learn anything new

                            Oh, we know.

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                              scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                              @dafyre said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                              @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                              @msff-amman-Itofficer said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                              @scottalanmiller @wrx7m

                              Actually it happens when someone empties a folder (even if he emptied it for 1 moment then added more files later), the sync stops on other users and next cloud pop up asks them something like :

                              We have detected that someone cleared the folder do you want to clear it as well or keep files.

                              the thing is the Sync actually stops on other users till this is answered, the good thing to do then is to copy all the already files in the sync folder to the desktop for example then choose clear to get new files, so you have the option to compare stuff. I think I solved this by creating Dummy file so the folder never gets emptied but its up for the users to respect and understand those stuff, otherwise just default them to the web nextcloud app, where users can drag and drop files after finishing working on them.

                              Interesting. How often are people emptying folders? I've not seen this happen, but not sure we've ever done that, either.

                              Your users are smart unlike mine, I have to deal with doctors... people assume they are smart. but trust me they dont want to learn anything new

                              They spent 20 years in school.

                              To learn what they should have picked up in two.

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                                wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?

                                I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.

                                Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.

                                I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?

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                                  travisdh1 @wrx7m
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                                  @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                  @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                  Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?

                                  I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.

                                  Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.

                                  I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?

                                  They have storage instances as well, but you can only see that tab after logging in.

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                                    Emad R @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                    To learn what they should have picked up in two.

                                    Oh Snap, i have to use this with them some time. Some times i have special errands in the O.T floor... I finish them but my hand would be shaking all the day

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                                      scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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                                      @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                      @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                      Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?

                                      I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.

                                      Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.

                                      I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?

                                      No, you use SATA for storage.

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                                        wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                        @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                        @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                        Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?

                                        I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.

                                        Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.

                                        I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?

                                        No, you use SATA for storage.

                                        After logging in a see the storage option. Although, they are "sold out" of quite a few options. In Los Angeles, they only have the $5/mo option. I don't suppose moving an instance to another data center is easy.

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                                          scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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                                          @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          @wrx7m said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Large file sharing to, from and within mainland China:

                                          Now if you need tons of storage, Vultr won't make a lot of sense. They are unbeatable for 250GB - 1TB. I mean totally untouchable. Go much beyond that and you are going to want someone else, possibly your own service. What size range / scale are we talking? Less than 1TB, 1TB to 4TB, 4TB+?

                                          I'm not completely sure but I would imagine it would be less than 1TB but I'm going to have to get more information from them.

                                          Then Vultr is the super obvious choice. You can go over a TB there too, but go much over and the price stops being the slam dunk that it is below 1TB.

                                          I see SSD VPS plans on Vultr. Is that what you are referring to?

                                          No, you use SATA for storage.

                                          After logging in a see the storage option. Although, they are "sold out" of quite a few options. In Los Angeles, they only have the $5/mo option. I don't suppose moving an instance to another data center is easy.

                                          You have to pay attention, they sell out fast and release new ones every few days. They've exploded in popularity and can't deploy hardware fast enough.

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                                            wrx7m
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                                            Is it OK to use the "Application" server type for NextCloud? I see that it is CentOS6. At this stage, it is more of a POC at this point but it could turn into production use for a handful of users and may even expand company-wide. I am not sure how much work/time to put into it at this point.

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