Bits and Bytes (1983)
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@connorsoliver said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Episode 5 down. The relationship between computers and telephones, and the technology of the modem is fascinating to me. Was this the basis of the internet?
No, the Internet went back to 1969 and predated modems. The Internet was built on T1 leased lines that connected universities together digitally. The modem does predate that, but was used by companies to connect branch offices together in a non-Internet system. For a very long time, modem connections were only for remote teletype or teletype simulation, so no networking, just a remote display. Kind of like a long distance "keyboard and monitor", which is quite different from a network.
The original modems were literally connected to typewriter keyboards and typewriter keys and weren't used with computers at all. They were literally a "typewriter" interface so that you could hit the keys in one place and have it print out in another (upgraded telegrams.) Very low level tech.
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@JaredBusch said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Clickable URL for everyone..
http://hatchermangohill.com/About Us.htmlSorry, didn't notice the URL broke. I did notice the space, but I thought the %20 copied over when I pasted it. LOL
Don't be too hard on that FrontPage web site, I think my great-aunt maintains it (Marilyn in the lower picture on that page), and she's in her 80's. I'm just happy that she was able to put it together. She still runs the place, so if any of you are ever down that way, drop in and see her. The Hatcher mango is SOOO good! OK, I'll admit some bias.
I've been really wanting to get down to south Florida to visit family. Haven't been there in 20 years. Really want my son to see the Mango Hill.
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The use of modems for networking was super rare even in the 1980s when the Internet was pretty heavily used. If you hear people talk about BBS (Bulletin Board Systems), that they show in Bits and Bytes I think, that's not networking, that's still just a remote keyboard and display on a single computer. No network.
The use of modems for networking was pretty much a product of the 1990s and not common until the late 1990s.
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Just finished watching Episode 6 on computer languages. Made me wonder about when operating systems come into the picture.
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@connorsoliver said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Just finished watching Episode 6 on computer languages. Made me wonder about when operating systems come into the picture.
They don't necessarily. In 1983 they were relatively uncommon. The early really popular OSes were CP/M which was the granddaddy of DOS, and AmigaOS in the home computing world. In the Commodore 64 and Apple ][ era, people didn't run operating systems. They treated computers way more like an old video gaming console - you had to turn on the machine and boot into the application (often a game) that you wanted to use and turn it off when you were done.
Operating systems weren't popular until computers were powerful enough to switch between tasks and storage was permanent (hard drives) or people had large floppies. The utility of CP/M or DOS was super low unless you had crazy powerful machines.
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Today, running with an OS feels totally crazy. But at the time, it was a layer of complexity that just wasn't needed.
What computers do today is so much more complex. From needing libraries, windowing systems, GUIs, graphics, networking - all things that you normally get from your OS and don't reinvent every time for every application.
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Episode 7 Complete. I'm curious at to how common it was to have computers in the classroom back then. Anyone who are up in the 80's know if it was a regular things to be dealing with computers in classes?
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@connorsoliver said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Episode 7 Complete. I'm curious at to how common it was to have computers in the classroom back then. Anyone who are up in the 80's know if it was a regular things to be dealing with computers in classes?
We had a computer lab. one classroom of computers.
Mid to late 80's, small town (~10,000) southern Illinois.
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My parents bought us a TI 99/4A around 1983. I know some of the local schools had the TI's at the time as my parents actually bought a couple more 2-3 years later from a school that was getting rid of them. I don't remember having the TI's in class though. I do remember having three Apple IIe's in my eighth grade classroom (87-88). I distinctly remember trying to spell out an acronym like this:
M - Multi
L - Letter
A - AcronymLined up perfect on the screen, but was all messed up when it got printed. That was my first introduction to the need for WYSIWYG (the young'uns probably never heard of that acronym!).
At Tennessee Tech as a freshman in 1992, I got introduced to the VAX system, which was already quite dated. Not long afterwards, they got a lab of brand-new 386 PC's that booted to a menu, from which you could pick the application you wanted to run (choices included Word Perfect 5.1, Lotus 1-2-3, and Quattro Pro). A couple of years later, we had a lab with NT 3.5. I think there may have been a Windows 95 lab before I left, but by then I wasn't living on campus, and had my own PC I had built.
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Episode 4 done. Wondering if you have to put a stop command in a program or is there a specific way to do it?
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@connorsoliver said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Episode 7 Complete. I'm curious at to how common it was to have computers in the classroom back then. Anyone who are up in the 80's know if it was a regular things to be dealing with computers in classes?
I was in school then and in the 81-85 years they were just starting to show up. In the CLASSROOM they were rare, but SCHOOL they were common. We just had dedicated computer labs, not computers in random classrooms (mostly.)
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Episode 5...The Source sounds like the 80s version of Google lol
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@mary said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Episode 5...The Source sounds like the 80s version of Google lol
It was, to quite some degree.
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@scottalanmiller is there still limitations on the amount of computers you have on a network?
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@mary said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
@scottalanmiller is there still limitations on the amount of computers you have on a network?
So yes and no. Yes those old networks still exist and have those limits. And "modern" Internet accessing (aka IPv4) has some complicated limits, the numbers are huge.
What's different today is two fold...
- We deal in both networks and internetworks today. So while one network might be limited to 20 computers, you might also have a limit of 20 networks networked together in an internetwork. So we have the concept of routing stuff from one network to another. This makes discussions of "network sizes" very different than they used to be.
- Sizes of networks have changed completely. We used to have limits like "5", now we have limits like "2,000". So we perceive the limits very differently.
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Episode 6 done. I wish I was exposed to Logo as a kid. It actually looked fun. That kid's story about the triangle baby turtle was epic. The look on that teacher's face
.Wondering if we still need compilers for translating program language to machine?
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@scottalanmiller what happens when you go over the limit?
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@connorsoliver we had one computer lab that had a bunch of Apple computers that used the disks in plastic. The majority of what we actually used them for was a typing class, pretty lame. I wish they offered more back then.
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@mary said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
Episode 6 done. I wish I was exposed to Logo as a kid. It actually looked fun.
You can still get it today. It's built into most Linux desktops. On yours it is likely called KTurtle. You'll need to install it.
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@mary said in Bits and Bytes (1983):
@scottalanmiller what happens when you go over the limit?
You can't. Imagine you have a 5 computer network...
To add a computer to the network, assign a number from 1 to 5.
What happens when you try to join the sixth machine? Nothing, because trying to use the number 6 is the same as "not trying to join it to the network". Conceptually you can't try to add too many machines, because the act of attempting to add can't happen.
