Domain Controller Issues
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@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
It's my reality and I don't see how I can possibly dictate it as I am currently. I'm not worth that much
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
It's my reality and I don't see how I can possibly dictate it as I am currently. I'm not worth that much
It's not you that dictates it at all. That's the problem. We keep hearing it dictated only by you. Never do you say (okay once) that "I'm doing what I am told to do", instead you say "I had to do it" or "it needed to be done" or whatever. The concepts here are being glossed over. It's hard to us to know exactly what is going on because it is filtered through you. But you should know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who is in charge of everything and who decides what you are or are not mandated to work on and when.
It seems way too fluid and the terms change too much. So we are convinced that you are not working on servers because you are in charge of them, nor because you are directed to, but because you feel that they are your babies or similar.
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@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
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@scottalanmiller The basics of the situation are that you think i should say no and i am expecting to be fired. I cannot afford to be fired so therefore i cannot risk saying no.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller The basics of the situation are that you think i should say no and i am expecting to be fired. I cannot afford to be fired so therefore i cannot risk saying no.
Where did I say that you should say no? I think you are reading into questions.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller The basics of the situation are that you think i should say no and i am expecting to be fired. I cannot afford to be fired so therefore i cannot risk saying no.
You are employed. Not indentured or enslaved.
You have a set list of responsibilities. If something is not in that list, you absolutely should say no. Or say sure I can look at doing that but we need to renegotiate my contract.
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They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
The description of 700 endpoints, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. Being a four person team. All IT for the city. The description that you repeated that resulted in you saying "they are definitely part of his job". There is no definitely in what was described. None of that was relevant. I'm unclear how the number of users, number of IT people (unless there was only one) or anything else mentioned gives us any insight, let alone a "definitely", into his responsibilities.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
Changed it... to what? From what?
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
No, you say "this is not my hired job. You can renegotiate with me or I can leave."
Then if the refuse, you leave and go work at McDonalds for a few weeks while you find a real job.
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@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
No, you say "this is not my hired job. You can renegotiate with me or I can leave."
Then if the refuse, you leave and go work at McDonalds for a few weeks while you find a real job.
and I'm saying I can't afford to do that. I tried one time. I was out of work for 3 months. I can't do that again.
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@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller The basics of the situation are that you think i should say no and i am expecting to be fired. I cannot afford to be fired so therefore i cannot risk saying no.
You are employed. Not indentured or enslaved.
You have a set list of responsibilities. If something is not in that list, you absolutely should say no. Or say sure I can look at doing that but we need to renegotiate my contract.
Now if he was a contracted employee that would be true, but he's not, he's a salaried employee (not that being salaried vs hourly makes any difference) so, yes, he's obligated via his job to do anything the management asks him to do (that's legal, of course).
Example, if management tells him to sweep, he better sweep or expect to be fired because, that is the task being assigned today, and if you can't or won't do assigned tasks, they can and should fire you.
Now if the company wants to pay you %40/hr+ to sweep fine, but that also seems like a huge waste of money..
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
No, you say "this is not my hired job. You can renegotiate with me or I can leave."
Then if the refuse, you leave and go work at McDonalds for a few weeks while you find a real job.
and I'm saying I can't afford to do that. I tried one time. I was out of work for 3 months. I can't do that again.
You most certainly can. You do not want to.
I've been through worse. Took years to dig out of.
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@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
No, you say "this is not my hired job. You can renegotiate with me or I can leave."
Then if the refuse, you leave and go work at McDonalds for a few weeks while you find a real job.
and I'm saying I can't afford to do that. I tried one time. I was out of work for 3 months. I can't do that again.
You most certainly can. You do not want to.
I've been through worse. Took years to dig out of.
It's not worth it
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
They essentially changed my job description during this meeting. If I stay here I am accepting the changes. If I say no I will be fired. hen what?
No, you say "this is not my hired job. You can renegotiate with me or I can leave."
Then if the refuse, you leave and go work at McDonalds for a few weeks while you find a real job.
and I'm saying I can't afford to do that. I tried one time. I was out of work for 3 months. I can't do that again.
You most certainly can. You do not want to.
I've been through worse. Took years to dig out of.
It's not worth it
It certainly was. I care more about myself than to be enslaved to anyone.
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@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
The description of 700 endpoints, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. Being a four person team. All IT for the city. The description that you repeated that resulted in you saying "they are definitely part of his job". There is no definitely in what was described. None of that was relevant. I'm unclear how the number of users, number of IT people (unless there was only one) or anything else mentioned gives us any insight, let alone a "definitely", into his responsibilities.
OK I see your point - but Wire's IM comments are that he is level 2, and when level 1 can't fix, he has to work on them.
Additionally, he's now said that when the boss is unreachable, it's his responsibility to 'work the problem' which means he's fully authorized to work on servers to fix problems. - according to him.
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
The description of 700 endpoints, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. Being a four person team. All IT for the city. The description that you repeated that resulted in you saying "they are definitely part of his job". There is no definitely in what was described. None of that was relevant. I'm unclear how the number of users, number of IT people (unless there was only one) or anything else mentioned gives us any insight, let alone a "definitely", into his responsibilities.
OK I see your point - but Wire's IM comments are that he is level 2, and when level 1 can't fix, he has to work on them.
Additionally, he's now said that when the boss is unreachable, it's his responsibility to 'work the problem' which means he's fully authorized to work on servers to fix problems. - according to him.
I'm "allowed" to but I am not qualified to. Like I said, they trust me although I don't know why.
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
The description of 700 endpoints, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. Being a four person team. All IT for the city. The description that you repeated that resulted in you saying "they are definitely part of his job". There is no definitely in what was described. None of that was relevant. I'm unclear how the number of users, number of IT people (unless there was only one) or anything else mentioned gives us any insight, let alone a "definitely", into his responsibilities.
OK I see your point - but Wire's IM comments are that he is level 2, and when level 1 can't fix, he has to work on them.
Additionally, he's now said that when the boss is unreachable, it's his responsibility to 'work the problem' which means he's fully authorized to work on servers to fix problems. - according to him.
It's "IT Level 2" and he's literally the top level escalation for the entire company? If so, he should leverage that into another job by Monday.
He can legally call himself the "Lead for the City of...." and that'll carry some weight.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
What description?
The description of 700 endpoints, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. Being a four person team. All IT for the city. The description that you repeated that resulted in you saying "they are definitely part of his job". There is no definitely in what was described. None of that was relevant. I'm unclear how the number of users, number of IT people (unless there was only one) or anything else mentioned gives us any insight, let alone a "definitely", into his responsibilities.
OK I see your point - but Wire's IM comments are that he is level 2, and when level 1 can't fix, he has to work on them.
Additionally, he's now said that when the boss is unreachable, it's his responsibility to 'work the problem' which means he's fully authorized to work on servers to fix problems. - according to him.
I'm "allowed" to but I am not qualified to. Like I said, they trust me although I don't know why.
No one at your company is qualified.. but so what! There is no one else to do it. And you are Tasked to do it.
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@wirestyle22 here is a major thing... you are in the control seat here, you seem to hold the reigns. You are the senior IT person for the city. You fear doing anything, because you might end up in a worse position. That fear is handing control over to them AND putting your income at risk. The more you say your income matters, the more you are not thinking well about how to approach it.
