XenServer 7.1 is out...
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Right, like it's open source or it isn't.
ANd it is, all open source. That's my point.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
I see it more as CentOS and CentOS Enterprise Edition.
More like CentOS and CentOS + a commercial application you have to buy that runs on CentOS.
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Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
Let me know any good resources you find. I need to dig deeper too
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@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
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@wirestyle22 said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
Let me know any good resources you find. I need to dig deeper too
I just mean ... what it is. The whole Citrix thing is still very confusing.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
Yes, sadly I do realize this - they want you confused so you pay them.
But at the same time, the Citrix sold product is NOT the same as the paid product (i.e. lacking functions). This doesn't compare to ESXi because ESXi is not open source.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
I understood it as...
RHEL, open source, pay for support
CentOS, basically the same product no supportI thought XS was the same thing.
But this "Citrix trying to confuse me" is doing a fine job of it. And of course @scottalanmiller speaking in riddles as he often does. He's like the Yoda of ML.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
Correct, all of the RHEL stuff is free, that's how CentOS was first created... from the free RHEL stuff.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
Yes, sadly I do realize this - they want you confused so you pay them.
But at the same time, the Citrix sold product is NOT the same as the paid product (i.e. lacking functions). This doesn't compare to ESXi because ESXi is not open source.
Same as their XenApp product. That name is so confusing. No relationship to Xen at all.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
Yes, sadly I do realize this - they want you confused so you pay them.
But at the same time, the Citrix sold product is NOT the same as the paid product (i.e. lacking functions). This doesn't compare to ESXi because ESXi is not open source.
Same as their XenApp product. That name is so confusing. No relationship to Xen at all.
Don't even get me started!!!!
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
Correct, all of the RHEL stuff is free, that's how CentOS was first created... from the free RHEL stuff.
Well then, but the sounds of it, XS Enterprise to XS is nothing like RHEL to CentOS, since CentOS has everything inside RHEL, where XS does not have everything inside XS Enterprise.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
Correct, all of the RHEL stuff is free, that's how CentOS was first created... from the free RHEL stuff.
Well then, but the sounds of it, XS Enterprise to XS is nothing like RHEL to CentOS, since CentOS has everything inside RHEL, where XS does not have everything inside XS Enterprise.
Correct. Not really a good comparison. RHEL is about support. XSE is not. It's about add ons that are not open source and not a part of XS.
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So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
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Last time I checked you were not entitled to install redhat without paid support: you had to remove it from the server. You were ok with the sources. Maybe this is now different.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
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@matteo-nunziati said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Last time I checked you were not entitled to install redhat without paid support: you had to remove it from the server. You were ok with the sources. Maybe this is now different.
Depends on how you look at it. Red Hat has no ability to block you from using their sources to install RHEL. That's how CentOS was made. That was just someone doing the work for you instead of you doing it all yourself.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
Right, so when xenserver.org says...
We are pleased to announce the release of XenServer 7.1!
Click here to learn about the new features and enhancements available in 7.1.And that leads you to ...
https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2017/02/23/xenserver-7-1-now-available-for-download/
What are you supposed to think?
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
So xenserver.org is the totally free, open source version?
Yes, XenServer itself is a product from Linux. But Citrix hosts all of the pages for it and owns the name. So makes things insanely confusing for no good reason.
Right, so when xenserver.org says...
We are pleased to announce the release of XenServer 7.1!
Click here to learn about the new features and enhancements available in 7.1.And that leads you to ...
https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2017/02/23/xenserver-7-1-now-available-for-download/
What are you supposed to think?
You are SUPPOSED to think that Citrix owns it all, because that is their goal as the name owner. That's why they bought the Xen brand years ago, for the express purpose of misleading people. That's what I keep saying... the goal, what you are supposed to be is confused. That's the purpose. Citrix owns the "name" of Xen and XenServer and uses it to be misleading. None of this will make sense if you think that the idea of anything with the Xen name is meant to be straightforward, because it isn't. Linux doesn't own the Xen name and can't control that stuff.
