XenServer 7.1 is out...
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
What seems weird is that open source project would be 100% open source for the entire thing. Including all features in the enterprise version.
I'm unclear if you are confused or just explaining my point. Your wording sounds like you think it should all be free, but they you explain why it isn't.
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I'm on my phone and mis stated something.
It's bizarre to me that an open source project would have non open source add ons. But in just thinking about that statement I understand the fallacy.
But to confuse things even more calling the bundling of all of these add-ons an Enterprise Edition seems weird at best.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
But to confuse things even more calling the bundling of all of these add-ons an Enterprise Edition seems weird at best.
Might seem weird, but if you are a commercial entity that owns the NAME but not the product, you have little other choice. It's the only method that Citrix has to do this.
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They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
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Right, like it's open source or it isn't.
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I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
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@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
I see it more as CentOS and CentOS Enterprise Edition.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Right, like it's open source or it isn't.
ANd it is, all open source. That's my point.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
I see it more as CentOS and CentOS Enterprise Edition.
More like CentOS and CentOS + a commercial application you have to buy that runs on CentOS.
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Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
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@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
Let me know any good resources you find. I need to dig deeper too
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@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
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@wirestyle22 said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
Perhaps I need a XS primer again.
Let me know any good resources you find. I need to dig deeper too
I just mean ... what it is. The whole Citrix thing is still very confusing.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
Yes, sadly I do realize this - they want you confused so you pay them.
But at the same time, the Citrix sold product is NOT the same as the paid product (i.e. lacking functions). This doesn't compare to ESXi because ESXi is not open source.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
I understood it as...
RHEL, open source, pay for support
CentOS, basically the same product no supportI thought XS was the same thing.
But this "Citrix trying to confuse me" is doing a fine job of it. And of course @scottalanmiller speaking in riddles as he often does. He's like the Yoda of ML.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@NerdyDad said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
I'm seeing it more as free code but not "free beer". Similar to the way Red Hat vs. CentOS is licensed. Both are open source, but one is free as in "free beer" (CentOS), but the other is not (Red Hat).
This is actually not the way Scott explained it to me a while ago.
He told me if I could get my hands one the RHEL install media, that I'm completely allowed to install and use it, just get no support (obviously).
In the case of this Enterprise XS stuff, you probably can't run these 'add-ons' unless you pay.
Correct, all of the RHEL stuff is free, that's how CentOS was first created... from the free RHEL stuff.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
@Dashrender said in XenServer 7.1 is out...:
They could call it Enterprise add-on pack.
But that would hardly be leveraging their brand ownership, would it? Would not make any business sense given their strategy of branding.
No, instead it just leads to total confusion by the non understanding Open Source people. I.e. if not for my participation in ML, I would think XS Enterprise was the only thing - and that XenServer is only a paid product from Citrix.
Yes, but what does Citrix care if it confuses you? Why do you see that as a factor? Citrix isn't the open source vendor providing XenServer, they are the commercial vendor trying to confuse you. They want you confused. That is the point.
Yes, sadly I do realize this - they want you confused so you pay them.
But at the same time, the Citrix sold product is NOT the same as the paid product (i.e. lacking functions). This doesn't compare to ESXi because ESXi is not open source.
Same as their XenApp product. That name is so confusing. No relationship to Xen at all.
