Remix OS Singularity
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
As the use cases continue to change, I'm sure we'll see more RAM appear in phones or whatever we end up calling the smaller portable computers...
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@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@DustinB3403 said in Remix OS Singularity:
I've got a 17" display on my laptop.
And my laptop will blow any phone off of the planet in performance.
yeah and it weighs 10 lbs.
Does it really matter how much it weighs if it's sitting on a table or desk?
Even the asus ultrabooks would blow any phone away in performance, and they come with nice size displays as well. Something like 16" displays
Sure - today - but look at Scott. He's a highly mobile user, who was using a 10+ year old computer do his work. As long as he can get internet and remote access to things, his power requirements are way less than that of a phone.
That's true (except for my gaming) - I could get by with a good phone. Memory is an issue, though. Phones have big CPU to small RAM ratios compared to my desktops, even my old one. Desktops lean towards big RAM and small CPU, which is what is useful for me.
For WORK though... you could work from your phone if you had no other option... (JuiceSSH on android is great -- even from my phone!)... The reason for the laptop would be faster / more accurate typing and larger screen.
That wasn't my point - my point was simply about the amount of power that Scott needs is provided in a phone already - but he then pointed out that he needs more RAM.
In any case, the need/massive desire for a larger keyboard and display is there.
Damn we are down a weird rabbit hole.. time to eject.
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If I had a phone with 8GB of RAM and a nice desk setup, I could totally work from it. That part isn't bad. One of my biggest concerns personally would be battery management of a phone used that way. I'm very critical of battery management because of how I live so adding anything to my plate that takes away my ability to control that is a negative.
I'm trying to picture working in this way, though. I'm constantly grabbing my phone and doing things with it and leaving my desk. But I don't want my desktop stuff to be interrupted. Having those as separate functions seems useful. I realize that that's a power user thing, but that's important.
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I don't need gaming specs, my computer is used for work only, I have dual AOC monitors and like them more then using a laptop screen, I only use a laptop when visiting sites to setup routers etc.
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But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
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What I think is the real use case is not people at a desk, but casual users at home who get an adapter to plug into a television screen and use a wireless bluetooth keyboard and sit on the couch. It turns the TV into a low end computer without needing to buy new devices.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
Now there's an idea... but wait, isn't the TV already powerful enough to do these things?
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@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
But they don't work like a desktop, that's the whole point. Yes, my iPhone will connect to a keyboard and monitor, but it is still very much a phone interface.
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@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
Now there's an idea... but wait, isn't the TV already powerful enough to do these things?
Powerful enough, no. But could be for $20 more. The Smart TVs have only a fraction the computing power of a decent phone today. And they tend to age much faster (phones you update every two years, TVs every ten.)
And the issue here is that you want all kinds of devices (Smart TV, Dumb TV, Computer Monitor) from one device rather than making lots of quirky, unmanaged third party desktop environments.
What RemixOS is doing is making a good Android desktop (hopefully) which is what any TV would also need.
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If you DO have a TV powerful enough for this, just load RemixOS on there directly
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
But they don't work like a desktop, that's the whole point. Yes, my iPhone will connect to a keyboard and monitor, but it is still very much a phone interface.
I don't see that changing much -- even Remix's tablet interface looks like a phone / touch interface to me... I may be slightly biased by owning one of their tablets, lol.
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@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
But they don't work like a desktop, that's the whole point. Yes, my iPhone will connect to a keyboard and monitor, but it is still very much a phone interface.
I don't see that changing much -- even Remix's tablet interface looks like a phone / touch interface to me... I may be slightly biased by owning one of their tablets, lol.
But it uses a mouse and has windowing right?
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@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@dafyre said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
@Dashrender said in Remix OS Singularity:
@scottalanmiller said in Remix OS Singularity:
But I really think that the intended use case here is very, very much the grandmas of the world. They would like something like a laptop at home once in a while, have no power user tasks and mostly just need a phone. This could let them "scale up" once in a while when needed and have it "go away" the rest of the time.
But does it go away? As you mentioned before, it's a monitor keyboard and mouse on a desk somewhere.
Unless you're talking about docking it into a laptop shell?
Television.
We can do that with phones now, as long as you have the right adapters.
But they don't work like a desktop, that's the whole point. Yes, my iPhone will connect to a keyboard and monitor, but it is still very much a phone interface.
I don't see that changing much -- even Remix's tablet interface looks like a phone / touch interface to me... I may be slightly biased by owning one of their tablets, lol.
But it uses a mouse and has windowing right?
Pretty much any Android 6 (and up) device can handle a keyboard, mouse and windowing.
By default each app is full screen (like on a phone), but yes, you can minimize, etc.
Remix seems to do this extremely well.
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Has anyone heard of the UDOO X86 boards that are coming out this year? - it started off from a kickstarter campaign:
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Not going to go back an quote things.
The point that the company has to provide two of everything is flawed. If they provide the phone and adapter they can leave the home side on the user. Obviously if they require working from home, they are likely more obligated to provide the environment. Most home based sales people I know have a KVM setup for their laptop at home that they supplied because they like it better than their company laptop alone.
The company can easily handle providing the KVM at the office because they would have it anyway for a desktop.
To another point, of course it is not supposed to be a laptop replacement. It is supposed to be a replacement for a docked laptop (docked being loosed used in this case to refer to one sitting on a desk for long periods or actually docked).
To @Dashrender's point of the documents being with them, well duh, that has nothing to do with the actual hardware and is a solution that would have to be decided with a desktop or laptop at home anyway.
To @scottalanmiller's point of laptops being more usable. They are only in so much that they have the keyboard and screen included. but you pay the price of carrying around that weight. So more usable is a relative term based on perception and use case. With a device and a KVM at home you only have to carry the device and adapter back and forth, instead of the entire laptop.
@DustinB3403 said something about double everything. Well as I think you see, double is the user's choice. Full system at work, work from device on the road and at home unless they choose to enhance the home experience.
tl;dr: I think this is honestly a solid solution once the mobile OS get fully up to speed. People will adapt.
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@JaredBusch said in Remix OS Singularity:
To @scottalanmiller's point of laptops being more usable. They are only in so much that they have the keyboard and screen included. but you pay the price of carrying around that weight. So more usable is a relative term based on perception and use case. With a device and a KVM at home you only have to carry the device and adapter back and forth, instead of the entire laptop.
I totally get that, but once you are "two points" rather than "generally mobile" it seems like two desktops is cheaper than one phone. A desktop is cheaper to acquire and lasts much longer. I'm not saying that there is no exception, but the idea of it being a tiny desktop that you carry from work to home but can't use anywhere else means it isn't competing with existing mobile solutions, but only existing stationary ones.
If a phone is $700 and good for two to three years, and a desktop is $600 but good for five and I need two desktops, that's $1200 over five years instead of $1,750 and I get two devices instead of one. Now there is a good point about maybe the company is buying phones anyway, and then that changes a lot of things. But for just the desktop piece, I don't think that it competes well at all. If we are looking at "enhancing the phone" there is some argument. If we are looking at "replacing a desktop" I think it looks poor. If we are looking at "replacing a laptop" I think it's no contest.
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work from a phone at home? really? yeah - no.
I completely agree with you on the laptop side, that if the user wants a better experience at home, that's on them.. because the laptop is a fully workable solution.
But a expecting actual work long term to be done from a phone interface is insane and most likely super inefficient. If the processing power is a phone, then the office should be supplying the better interface at home as well.
