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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      You never convert a DC or migrate one. P2V is an image migration process. Since you don't image a DC that rules that out.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Remember a AD DC is an application level cluster. Instead of migrating just make a new DC VM, get it working and shut down the physical. There is no migration needed.

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        • dafyreD
          dafyre
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          The reason it isn't a good idea is that it makes AD all kinds of not happy for various reasons.

          It truly is easier to make a new VM, promote it to DC, and let it sync.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            DC is not special, it is the same for any live database cluster node. It's just that in the SMB you rarely deal with advanced databases so don't see this. This is standard in bigger businesses with big databases.

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

              You never convert a DC or migrate one. P2V is an image migration process. Since you don't image a DC that rules that out.

              Understood. Thanks for the info

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              • wirestyle22W
                wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                DC is not special, it is the same for any live database cluster node. It's just that in the SMB you rarely deal with advanced databases so don't see this. This is standard in bigger businesses with big databases.

                This makes complete sense to me. Thank you.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  Other common places you would see this is a MongoDB cluster node, Redis node, Cassandra node, MariaDB Galera node, etc.

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                  • wirestyle22W
                    wirestyle22
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                    Is there a way for me to verify this secondary dc is functioning as intended?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @wirestyle22
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                      @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                      Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                      Try binding to it.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @coliver
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                        @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                        @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                        Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                        Try binding to it.

                        I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                        This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @wirestyle22
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                          @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                          @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                          @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                          Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                          Try binding to it.

                          I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                          This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

                          Shut down all the other DC when you test?
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                          • wirestyle22W
                            wirestyle22 @travisdh1
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                            @travisdh1 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                            @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                            @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                            @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                            Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                            Try binding to it.

                            I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                            This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

                            Shut down all the other DC when you test?
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                            just remember to /wrists

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                              @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                              @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                              @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                              Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                              Try binding to it.

                              I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                              This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

                              Second DC, not secondary. Haven't been secondary DCs ever in Active Directory. That terminology is mistakenly brought over from the PDC/BDC days of Windows NT and the SAM system that pre-dates AD. Once AD replaced SAM, there was no more secondary concepts.

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                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                                Try binding to it.

                                I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                                This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

                                Second DC, not secondary. Haven't been secondary DCs ever in Active Directory. That terminology is mistakenly brought over from the PDC/BDC days of Windows NT and the SAM system that pre-dates AD. Once AD replaced SAM, there was no more secondary concepts.

                                non FSMO DC?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                  @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                  @coliver said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in Converting Secondary Domain from Physical to VM:

                                  Is there a way for me to verify this secondary domain is functioning as intended?

                                  Try binding to it.

                                  I worded this wrong. Sorry.

                                  This is a secondary DC. I didn't think you could specify the domain controller, it's just round robin. How do I verify that it's working.

                                  Second DC, not secondary. Haven't been secondary DCs ever in Active Directory. That terminology is mistakenly brought over from the PDC/BDC days of Windows NT and the SAM system that pre-dates AD. Once AD replaced SAM, there was no more secondary concepts.

                                  non FSMO DC?

                                  Think of it as a "Member DC" rather than a "Solo DC". What matters is that it is not alone.

                                  FSMO roles do matter, but only in that post DC setup they should be moved over.

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver
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                                    Wait. Sorry this is a second DC in your current domain or a secondary domain?

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @coliver
                                      last edited by wirestyle22

                                      @coliver said in Converting Second Domain Controller from Physical to VM:

                                      Wait. Sorry this is a second DC in your current domain or a secondary domain?

                                      Second DC. Sorry, I wrote it wrong.

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                                      • wirestyle22W
                                        wirestyle22
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                                        Another question I have is: Does the hypervisor need to be syncing with the time server or is that only important for the VM's?

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @wirestyle22
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                                          @wirestyle22 said in Converting Second Domain Controller from Physical to VM:

                                          @coliver said in Converting Second Domain Controller from Physical to VM:

                                          Wait. Sorry this is a second DC in your current domain or a secondary domain?

                                          Second DC. Sorry I wrote it wrong.

                                          No problem. If that's the case you can use powershell to test against it. You'll also want to take a look at repadmin to make sure that replication is going through correctly.

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver @wirestyle22
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                                            @wirestyle22 said in Converting Second Domain Controller from Physical to VM:

                                            Another question I have is: Does the hypervisor need to be syncing with the time server or is that only important for the VM's?

                                            It's less important but it's generally a good idea to have everything sync to the same time server.

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