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@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
TV is usually episodic, Books aren't.
@ChrisL said in Binge Watching:
Especially with Stranger Things, which was likely written as one cohesive story and then broken up into "episodes".
This, this is probably another thing that did it in for me. But maybe not. It was just so slow.
But The more I think about it.. the more it has to do with the fact that it was horror like and I'm simply not a fan. Call it X-Files like, and I will just tune out, again, not a fan.
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@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
I mostly read episodic books. They have chapters. Very much the same thing.
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@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@ChrisL said in Binge Watching:
Especially with Stranger Things, which was likely written as one cohesive story and then broken up into "episodes".
This, this is probably another thing that did it in for me. But maybe not. It was just so slow.
That's one of the things that I like about non-comedy television is when it is not very episodic. Sitcoms, sure, episodes are fine. But something good, I want it to be one storyline.
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@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
I mostly read episodic books. They have chapters. Very much the same thing.
I suppose every Star Trek, Star Wars, etc novel ever written are episodic. I guess I consider them different because a TV episode takes me 30-60 mins to watch, a single Star Wars novel takes me 8-20 hours of reading to complete on average. I'm definitely not a speed reader. So if you can knock out one of those 200 page books in an hour, I guess that would explain why you don't see a difference.
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@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
I mostly read episodic books. They have chapters. Very much the same thing.
I suppose every Star Trek, Star Wars, etc novel ever written are episodic. I guess I consider them different because a TV episode takes me 30-60 mins to watch, a single Star Wars novel takes me 8-20 hours of reading to complete on average. I'm definitely not a speed reader. So if you can knock out one of those 200 page books in an hour, I guess that would explain why you don't see a difference.
No, it's that each chapter in those books is an "episode." Each novel is a "season."
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@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@ChrisL said in Binge Watching:
Especially with Stranger Things, which was likely written as one cohesive story and then broken up into "episodes".
This, this is probably another thing that did it in for me. But maybe not. It was just so slow.
That's one of the things that I like about non-comedy television is when it is not very episodic. Sitcoms, sure, episodes are fine. But something good, I want it to be one storyline.
I'll agree with that in general, So yeah I just stepped in with my earlier comment about being episodic - again, didn't like that show because of the horror aspect - Actually, I really do prefer non episodic Sci Fi shows, I'm not sure I'd enjoy a Star Trek series any more that was mostly episodic and not advancing an arching story line. I don't know if DS9 just didn't interest people when it was episodic, but viewership seemed to pickup after they started the Dominion war.
Babylon 5 was pretty good for the day, great story arches. -
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
I mostly read episodic books. They have chapters. Very much the same thing.
I suppose every Star Trek, Star Wars, etc novel ever written are episodic. I guess I consider them different because a TV episode takes me 30-60 mins to watch, a single Star Wars novel takes me 8-20 hours of reading to complete on average. I'm definitely not a speed reader. So if you can knock out one of those 200 page books in an hour, I guess that would explain why you don't see a difference.
No, it's that each chapter in those books is an "episode." Each novel is a "season."
oh, I've never read anything like that.
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@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@ChrisL said in Binge Watching:
Especially with Stranger Things, which was likely written as one cohesive story and then broken up into "episodes".
This, this is probably another thing that did it in for me. But maybe not. It was just so slow.
That's one of the things that I like about non-comedy television is when it is not very episodic. Sitcoms, sure, episodes are fine. But something good, I want it to be one storyline.
I'll agree with that in general, So yeah I just stepped in with my earlier comment about being episodic - again, didn't like that show because of the horror aspect - Actually, I really do prefer non episodic Sci Fi shows, I'm not sure I'd enjoy a Star Trek series any more that was mostly episodic and not advancing an arching story line. I don't know if DS9 just didn't interest people when it was episodic, but viewership seemed to pickup after they started the Dominion war.
Babylon 5 was pretty good for the day, great story arches.I was wary because of the horror aspect too, not my thing. But I ended up really liking it.
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@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
@scottalanmiller said in Binge Watching:
@Dashrender said in Binge Watching:
But TV is completely different. There is so much out there to entertain ourselves with, why would you spend time trudging through something that bores the hell out of you for two solid episodes? Seriously, I practically wanted to off myself after the first one it was that bad - and clearly I wasn't alone, cause JB didn't even make it past one episode.
Why do you say that about TV but not books?
I mostly read episodic books. They have chapters. Very much the same thing.
I suppose every Star Trek, Star Wars, etc novel ever written are episodic. I guess I consider them different because a TV episode takes me 30-60 mins to watch, a single Star Wars novel takes me 8-20 hours of reading to complete on average. I'm definitely not a speed reader. So if you can knock out one of those 200 page books in an hour, I guess that would explain why you don't see a difference.
No, it's that each chapter in those books is an "episode." Each novel is a "season."
oh, I've never read anything like that.
no one generally does as most books are not wrote like that. Chapters are break points or narrative changes along the way. but in no way are considered able to stand on their own.
you are both generalizing too much. a good TV series can be episodic, story arc, or both. most are both to some degree or another.
Star Trek (the original series) was generally episodic with a little story over all.
The 100 is generally story arc per season with a little episodic design in each episode to wrap things in the typical 40 minute time slot.
Most novels are story arc per book with chapters being simple pauses or scene change or some other artifice of the author that makes a good spot to mark a change.
Some novels do have chapters with enough heft that they can almost be a story to themselves (an episode), but very rarely.
TV shows and novels are horrible comparisons in the way you are both using them.
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@JaredBusch said in Binge Watching:
TV shows and novels are horrible comparisons in the way you are both using them.
This was the point I was trying to drive to, but clearly missed. The closet I got was when I said it takes me 8+ hours to read a book, and a TV show is 30-60 mins. These types of entertainment are not really comparable.
It's better to compare a typical comic book to a TV show. Though a comic probably doesn't typically take 30+ to read.
