Why Do People Still Text
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Though I really do like IM way better than texting too - for all the reasons Scott has mentioned before - the draw back of course is you must be online to use it, where some phones will hold a text message until you get back in range, others won't.
I assume that that is a carrier thing? All phones hold texts, I hope, once they have received them.
I mean when trying to send - I've had some phones that will hold the outgoing text until it makes a connection to the cellular network, I've had others the just reject you if offline and won't retry (though they give you an option to return most of the time).
OH! Okay, I've not seen that. Seems logical that that should be an option.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
So how is switching to email any different? Nothing says you can't reply to a text with an email, or vice versa. Do you feel penned in by texting?
If I receive texts that are not alerts, I must either block people or lose my alerting capabilities. It's the reception that causes the problem.
So because you have a crappy cell carrier no one should text?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Assuming you have a mobile phone with them. 400 Mb a month?
My father does not. I'm not aware of that being a limitation.
really? So I can go to a t-Mobile store and buy an Android tablet from them ( I assume I must at least do that) that is cellular enabled, and I can get free 400 MB a month wireless data? Damn I'm going to have to look into that.
I just check the deal is 200MB/Month for any eligible tablet you buy from them as long as you also have a cellphone data plan or wifi hotspot with them.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Though I really do like IM way better than texting too - for all the reasons Scott has mentioned before - the draw back of course is you must be online to use it, where some phones will hold a text message until you get back in range, others won't.
I assume that that is a carrier thing? All phones hold texts, I hope, once they have received them.
I mean when trying to send - I've had some phones that will hold the outgoing text until it makes a connection to the cellular network, I've had others the just reject you if offline and won't retry (though they give you an option to return most of the time).
Most anymore wait to send them til they can.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Also, for traveling, texting often requires getting a new number, and therefore a new identity, in different countries. Texting for people outside of the US can require quite a bit of extra management.
I have friend who travel and email and Facebook work but texting is something that they lost. They were texters before, then suddenly everyone had to figure out how to reach them. Texting, I feel, is less consistent especially in times of emergency.
Yes, these people, where you happen to find yourself these days, are the major exception to the texting norm. The US doesn't have this problem as a general rule - you can take your cell phone with you pretty much anywhere in the country, and as long as you can make calls you can get and send text messages.
Yes, if we are assuming a US-centric world, SMS works relatively well. But it always comes with big assumptions like you aren't leaving the country, have reception at home, have reception at work, are allowed to have a phone in those places, your device doesn't break or die, that you always have your device, etc. People using text messaging - how are you not tied to your devices in a way that those just on email are not?
I'm tied to my phone, not because of text messaging, but because it can, wait for it... Ring! The only thing that truly represent something critical is the phone ringing unexpectedly.
If you find yourself in a situation, life style, whatever you want to call it that you can't have a phone, or your phone doesn't work where you live/work, etc... and that is your emergency connection - well I guess you better find another emergency connection method. If I were in that situation, it would not be email. I would I would probably go for a pager if I felt I needed to be able to be gotten a hold of that badly. Otherwise if not, I'd just not worry about it at all, and I'll get the communica when I get it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Until MS Send came along I would never consider (today) to use email to hold a give and take conversation - it's just the wrong platform. MS Send solves that by making the interface simplier
It doesn't make it easier, it makes it seem easier. You could do this before with other clients. I'm undecided if I actually find it easier than normal mail interface or if it is purely mental.
are you talking about on the phone? OK I'll give you that - mobile apps IM/SMS on the phone vs email on the phone is about the same... but that's definitely not the case on the desktop.
Email is typically a huge client fill most or all of the screen with buttons all over the place. IM on the desktop/laptop is more like what you have on the mobile - often very simple interface.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm tied to my phone, not because of text messaging, but because it can, wait for it... Ring! The only thing that truly represent something critical is the phone ringing unexpectedly.
See I have email for that. I don't answer the phone if I don't have an email explaining why someone would be calling. I know my dad screens his calls. My wife never answers unless it is me or her sister and even then not always.
I get about 90% spam calls. Phone calls are forced interruptions, they should truly be for emergencies.
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@Dashrender said:
Email is typically a huge client fill most or all of the screen with buttons all over the place. IM on the desktop/laptop is more like what you have on the mobile - often very simple interface.
My texting app on my desktop is like that too. Just the nature of things on the desktop. There is space to fill.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I love the idea - having a conversation with my boss that's all saved to email but done through an IM client would be awesome!
We were doing this with Zimbra around 2007.
and what did it look like on the desktop? like the old AOL chat client (or any of the thousands that are out there - they are all pretty much the same).... and what did it look like on mobile?
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@Dashrender said:
are you talking about on the phone? OK I'll give you that - mobile apps IM/SMS on the phone vs email on the phone is about the same... but that's definitely not the case on the desktop.
Why would you compare phone to desktop
Of course phone to phone, desktop to desktop.Although I find both on the desktop, with all those extra buttons, way easier because it is far easier to type, find the person to respond to, etc.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I love the idea - having a conversation with my boss that's all saved to email but done through an IM client would be awesome!
We were doing this with Zimbra around 2007.
and what did it look like on the desktop? like the old AOL chat client (or any of the thousands that are out there - they are all pretty much the same).... and what did it look like on mobile?
It was XMPP so looked like whatever you wanted. But the web client built in was very lean and right on the interface. On the phone it just used the native client or whatever you chose.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
By free I assume you mean the use of someone else's wifi connection, not a cellular data connection.
I've listed this caveat before. And I totally understand that it is apples or oranges. BUT.... with convergence you have to assume that you will, one way or another, attempt to have Internet access. That might be a horribly wrong assumption, but that is the assumption. That by going to a single universal platform you eliminate the need to get many platforms AND the platform is vendorless and generic. So I can use any Internet, anywhere to get what I need. I can borrow someone's phone, computer or wifi... all will let me retrieve my email. The email itself costs nothing, the platform is universal and equitable.
With an SMS I cannot do that (unless I hijack it to non-SMS like Apple and Google are doing - which is an attempt to reconverge a non-convergent technology.) If a message goes to SMS and my phone is gone, destroyed, number changed, out of service, etc. that's it. I can't switch to another medium to get that message. I can't borrow something to get to it. I am carrier dependent, service dependent, number dependent and device dependent.
Sure, but you are with a phone call as well. But from a purely messaging standpoint I see what you're getting at. The question is, does it matter? Like the phone call I'm guessing most people don't believe that a text message will be saved by the receiver for very long, or in general used as an archive (mainly for the reasons you've mentioned already), so it's not like the average user worries about losing their SMS messages, they are probably much more concerned about the lost photos.
Oh that's a different concern, not what I meant. I mean if I'm sending critical info to someone's SMS, they might never get it. It's ephemeral. Only for things that are transient. Like what if there was a big emergency and you needed to fly to California to deal with it. But your phone was broken when that happened. No matter what, you are going to be delayed in getting that message. But if it was an email you can always just go find a way to get the message. If it is SMS, you might never get it but the sending think that you did.
That's a problem with the sender - I never believe that someone gets a text from me until they answer it - and frankly I never believe they get an email from me either, until they respond to it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
If you email them, are you not forcing them to use email to communicate with them?
That's completely valid. Except that having email is optional. My text is not. I got texts on an account that I didn't even know how it and I was charged for it. I'm sure this happened to tons of people when texting became suddenly in vogue. Nearly everyone has phones, people just started texting even knowing that almost no one had free texts originally. The text functionality was turned on sometimes without people even being told or could not be disabled.
So only sort of. They obviously can and do opt not to have email. It isn't tied to some other service. But text you can force onto a device that they have for another purpose.
OK all that is true, but it's really not an issue any more - most plans these days include texting, so while your point was valid in the past, not so much today.
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@Dashrender said:
That's a problem with the sender - I never believe that someone gets a text from me until they answer it - and frankly I never believe they get an email from me either, until they respond to it.
The difference is, in one case you have to wait for that response to know anything. Unless it fails on your end. With email it keeps trying from your end. THEN it keeps trying from the server and you know when it got to the server so you know that you got the message "out." Then the server keeps trying and if that eventually fails it tells you. But it is trying all that time. You at least get a confirmation to the point where your side succeeded and you know that it is attempting delivery.
The biggest value to email is that people know not to trust it. I realize this is a human reaction thing. But texts fail a lot but a lot of people just trust them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
really? So I can go to a t-Mobile store and buy an Android tablet from them ( I assume I must at least do that) that is cellular enabled, and I can get free 400 MB a month wireless data? Damn I'm going to have to look into that.
Chances are once you do that you'll realize how good the TMobile plan is and switch to them. Which is the point of the freebie service
I have AT&T which I switched to from Sprint 2 years ago - I don't recall care who I use as long as it works GREAT at my house and I can roam freely with it. I spend more today than I did when I was on Sprint, and I wouldn't say I'm happy to do so.. but I'm happy to do so since it works everywhere I am.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
If you email them, are you not forcing them to use email to communicate with them?
That's completely valid. Except that having email is optional. My text is not. I got texts on an account that I didn't even know how it and I was charged for it. I'm sure this happened to tons of people when texting became suddenly in vogue. Nearly everyone has phones, people just started texting even knowing that almost no one had free texts originally. The text functionality was turned on sometimes without people even being told or could not be disabled.
So only sort of. They obviously can and do opt not to have email. It isn't tied to some other service. But text you can force onto a device that they have for another purpose.
OK all that is true, but it's really not an issue any more - most plans these days include texting, so while your point was valid in the past, not so much today.
It was written in the past, remember. Yes, it is no longer valid. Most plans include text. But most also include data. So the same point for texting in the past has also gone.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Assuming you have a mobile phone with them. 400 Mb a month?
My father does not. I'm not aware of that being a limitation.
really? So I can go to a t-Mobile store and buy an Android tablet from them ( I assume I must at least do that) that is cellular enabled, and I can get free 400 MB a month wireless data? Damn I'm going to have to look into that.
I just check the deal is 200MB/Month for any eligible tablet you buy from them as long as you also have a cellphone data plan or wifi hotspot with them.
yeah non starter for me then... 200 - couldn't even keep up with FB in that small amount a month. not to mention that I just purchased a new phone for the wife with AT&T, unless the price was that much lower, I'd loose to much on the AT&T phone.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
really? So I can go to a t-Mobile store and buy an Android tablet from them ( I assume I must at least do that) that is cellular enabled, and I can get free 400 MB a month wireless data? Damn I'm going to have to look into that.
Chances are once you do that you'll realize how good the TMobile plan is and switch to them. Which is the point of the freebie service
I have AT&T which I switched to from Sprint 2 years ago - I don't recall care who I use as long as it works GREAT at my house and I can roam freely with it. I spend more today than I did when I was on Sprint, and I wouldn't say I'm happy to do so.. but I'm happy to do so since it works everywhere I am.
TMobile was the best move ever. And their calling over WiFi has eliminated the tie-in so the phone network for calls!
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@Dashrender said:
yeah non starter for me then... 200 - couldn't even keep up with FB in that small amount a month. not to mention that I just purchased a new phone for the wife with AT&T, unless the price was that much lower, I'd loose to much on the AT&T phone.
But that just means that you always have access to email.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm tied to my phone, not because of text messaging, but because it can, wait for it... Ring! The only thing that truly represent something critical is the phone ringing unexpectedly.
See I have email for that. I don't answer the phone if I don't have an email explaining why someone would be calling. I know my dad screens his calls. My wife never answers unless it is me or her sister and even then not always.
I get about 90% spam calls. Phone calls are forced interruptions, they should truly be for emergencies.
Exactly - that was my point. I said this earlier... If I'm calling someone just to BS, I'll text them first, because I know their phone will tweedle RIGHT NOW with the text and if they are free, they will either call me, or respond that they are available.. if not, they either respond, not now.. or don't even bother responding...
