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    • art_of_shredA
      art_of_shred Banned @dafyre
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      @dafyre said:

      The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -- Thomas Jefferson

      It is up to the patriots to decide when that time has come, and as @art_of_shred mentioned, it must be a calculated risk. Even if, as a true patriot, we shed our blood and die, yet the revolution is quickly and truly crushed, then those we left behind must not fear anything but a cage. A cage...staying behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.

      I think that America is awful close to that point. God be with us all when it it becomes a breaking point.

      Wow, TJ and LOTR in one post!

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender
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        The collapse of the USSR is more or less an example of what you are talking about.

        I don't recall hearing about a huge war when that happened.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said:

          The collapse of the USSR is more or less an example of what you are talking about.

          I don't recall hearing about a huge war when that happened.

          Exactly. USSR collapsed, China moved to capitalism, Europe formed a confederation.... all generally without bloodshed.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Even a relatively small monarchy like Morocco changed not its government but nearly everything else about itself in a few years, without any bloodshed or revolution.

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            • art_of_shredA
              art_of_shred Banned @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said:

              The collapse of the USSR is more or less an example of what you are talking about.

              I don't recall hearing about a huge war when that happened.

              In more ways than one. I think this example, like a lot of other "modern revolutions" has been more of a facelift than a true revolution.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @art_of_shred
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                @art_of_shred said:

                @Dashrender said:

                The collapse of the USSR is more or less an example of what you are talking about.

                I don't recall hearing about a huge war when that happened.

                In more ways than one. I think this example, like a lot of other "modern revolutions" has been more of a facelift than a true revolution.

                One could say that about the American Revolution or the French too. At the end, France just changed monarchs. America just separated and followed much of the same tracks that England was following already.

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                • art_of_shredA
                  art_of_shred Banned
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                  But in the modern sense, it's often new faces for public consumption, but the same hands are steering in the background. When you get a new king, he does things his way. That's not a continuation of the old. The "new" Russian leadership is the old, but with new hats. We put fresh paint on the front and throw up a new name on the sign, but the same chef is still in the kitchen. And the public flocks in to the check out the "new" restaurant.

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre @art_of_shred
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                    @art_of_shred said:

                    @dafyre said:
                    A cage...staying behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.
                    Wow, TJ and LOTR in one post!

                    Thanks for that... I couldn't remember where, but it seemed to fit. And just remember... cages come in all shapes and sizes... and some, often don't look like a cage.

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                    • art_of_shredA
                      art_of_shred Banned @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said:

                      @art_of_shred said:

                      @dafyre said:
                      A cage...staying behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.
                      Wow, TJ and LOTR in one post!

                      Thanks for that... I couldn't remember where, but it seemed to fit. And just remember... cages come in all shapes and sizes... and some, often don't look like a cage.

                      Aowen, speaking to Aragorn about what she feared.

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                      • dafyreD
                        dafyre
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                        Change won't always be bloody, and as much as we'd like to think the world is beyond such capacity.... we are constantly bombarded with things that remind us that human nature is still good at doing things violently.

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                        • dafyreD
                          dafyre @art_of_shred
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                          @art_of_shred said:

                          @dafyre said:

                          @art_of_shred said:

                          @dafyre said:
                          A cage...staying behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.
                          Wow, TJ and LOTR in one post!

                          Thanks for that... I couldn't remember where, but it seemed to fit. And just remember... cages come in all shapes and sizes... and some, often don't look like a cage.

                          Aowen, speaking to Aragorn about what she feared.

                          Thanks. Guess I'd better go read the books again, lol.

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                          • art_of_shredA
                            art_of_shred Banned
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                            They made a book out of that?!?

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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre
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                              I think the books came first. 8-) Shocking isn't it?

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @art_of_shred
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                                @art_of_shred said:

                                What the heck is "one person in charge, with some oversight"? Either the dude's in charge, or he's not. If he has oversight, he's not really in charge.

                                I think we already know Scott's a bit crazy.

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller @A Former User
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                                  @thecreativeone91 crazy should be a requirement for almost any job - need a good variety of crazy in IT.

                                  I deal with people, boss sorts and categorizes like... a boss, co-worker is at one with the network. Seems to work ok for us 🙂

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