OneDrive Conundrum With Windows 10
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@garak0410 said:
And THIS is how I want to remain on a Windows Desktop, especially on my low storage device...
Why? Place holders take up much less space. Syncing all files can easily run out of space.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@garak0410 said:
And THIS is how I want to remain on a Windows Desktop, especially on my low storage device...
Why? Place holders take up much less space. Syncing all files can easily run out of space.
Sorry, I was focused on the quote "On iOS and Android, it only downloads the files you open / edit. You can tag specific files to be always on your device if you want." This is kind of how placeholders work but we get options to do online only or offline.
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@Dashrender said:
Hold on, I'm lost.
Does Google Drive sync everything to your windows/mac computer? if that's the case and you have 10 TB in their cloud, you probably don't have enough local storage to do that...
Yes... Google Drive syncs EVERYTHING to your desktop, AFAIK (I don't use the G: Drive client, lol). So you are correct in that assessment.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@garak0410 said:
And THIS is how I want to remain on a Windows Desktop, especially on my low storage device...
Why? Place holders take up much less space. Syncing all files can easily run out of space.
Because placeholders still aren't free. This is what Paul Thurrott was talking about in the podcast.
@garak0410 says he has 10.3 TB of data in his OneDrive. Let's assume he has 20,000 files in there. If each place holder is 100KB, those 20,000 files will take 1.95 GB of data. While this is no problem for more Desktop or laptops, the new micro tablets that only have 8 GB of storage might not have 2 GB to give, and even if it does, it will quickly run out of space if anything is actually synced with that device.
This is why MS has moved away from placeholders.
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Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
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@Dashrender I don't understand why not just let the client connect to the cloud storage and download the files you want to edit, and then automagically upload them every time you save?
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@Dashrender said:
This is why MS has moved away from placeholders.
But that explanation made placeholders sound awesome. That doesn't explain why they moved away. It just makes it sound like they hate their customers
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
Why is that a reason to not offer them? Clearly for those users, the whole system doesn't work. But nearly everyone, they work great. So with placeholders, everyone wins, who loses?
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@dafyre said:
@Dashrender I don't understand why not just let the client connect to the cloud storage and download the files you want to edit, and then automagically upload them every time you save?
I hear what you are saying - and frankly I don't know....
I can't say that I've tried what you are talking about, I do have both normal OneDrive and OneDrive for Business, but I haven't tried opening an Excel file from OD that isn't synced on my PC...The only thing I can think is that pulling a directory structure down each time you want to know what files are were in OD might be a rather large amount of data. I'm not sure if OD could be made to constantly sync a filetree listing, instead of a placeholder... but the problem with that is that things that just work with Windows Explorer wouldn't know how to deal with that listing.. which is why placeholders were created in the first place.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
Why is that a reason to not offer them? Clearly for those users, the whole system doesn't work. But nearly everyone, they work great. So with placeholders, everyone wins, who loses?
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
Why is that a reason to not offer them? Clearly for those users, the whole system doesn't work. But nearly everyone, they work great. So with placeholders, everyone wins, who loses?
Micro tablet users lose, because it would simply be broken, and there's no telling if that might break other things.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
what's less space?
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
what's less space?
Place holders
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
what's less space?
Placeholders. That's why Paul's explanation makes no sense.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
Why is that a reason to not offer them? Clearly for those users, the whole system doesn't work. But nearly everyone, they work great. So with placeholders, everyone wins, who loses?
Micro tablet users lose, because it would simply be broken, and there's no telling if that might break other things.
I don't see them losing. Paul's explanation showed them winning. When do they ever lose with placeholders? Sometimes they win (95% of the time) and sometimes they are a draw but never do they lose.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why the heck is a placeholder around 100KB? That's crazy. 1KB should be plenty. Maybe 4KB at most if there is a lot of meta-data. And at 4KB that is a lot of placeholders that could be downloaded.
Paul has some pretty crazy ideas that I've heard recently.
I'll admit I made up the number, I don't have a transcript of the podcast to pull from.. but the idea is what I was going after. Due to the size of the placeholder, and easy to reach number of files on OneDrive could easily make these micro tablets run out of space just holding placeholders.
Why is that a reason to not offer them? Clearly for those users, the whole system doesn't work. But nearly everyone, they work great. So with placeholders, everyone wins, who loses?
Micro tablet users lose, because it would simply be broken, and there's no telling if that might break other things.
Yeah but they couldn't sync all there files anyway if placeholders wouldn't fit. Just make options. Maybe full or place holder as well as selective sync would be a better option than removing it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
what's less space?
Placeholders. That's why Paul's explanation makes no sense.
what part of it does not make sense?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
And it's still less space either way. It seems like they are saying taking up more space is better.
what's less space?
Placeholders. That's why Paul's explanation makes no sense.
what part of it does not make sense?
All of it. He describes the upside to placeholders, that they use far less space than the original files which is the entire idea. He explains why tablet users with limited space are huge winners. Nothing negative in there at all. How did his explanation of how great it was for people with limited space turn into a reason not to do it?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Yeah but they couldn't sync all there files anyway if placeholders wouldn't fit. Just make options. Maybe full or place holder as well as selective sync would be a better option than removing it.
now that I agree with. The problem is non technical people won't understand what a placeholder is.. and when they tell it no and can't find their files like you can't they'll freak out. Or when they use their microtablet and it doesn't have enough space to hold all of their placeholders and they are out of storage but can't figure out why because placeholders I think are hidden files (though maybe not - they might actually lie to the file system and tell you you have 10.3TB of data HA!)
